- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
Crossposted from https://lemmy.bestiver.se/post/638297
You must log in or # to comment.
Must be bitcoin laundering.
I think you win the internet for today. You could also be right.
Unironically an innovative way to drive the heating element
LG: We are proud to introduce our groundbreaking next generation technology - washing machine based cloud services for businesses
You got a genuine laugh out of me. Amazing.
I factory reset my LG TV and refused to give it the WiFi password when they said they were going to use AI to analyze what people were watching on the TV to know best what ads to show us. Fuck that.
The TV is excellent as a dumb TV. Don’t need internet access.
Yeah, I’ve still got all dumb TVs, with small PCs connected. Best possible setup.
all dumb TVs, with small PCs connected.
This is the way. (DACO: Disney also chickens out.)
How do you remote-control playback on those small PCs with a remote controller?
I have a firestick with a remote, but it’s not the best solution.
deleted by creator
Okay, but what if I just want a remote? I can’t exactly hand my kids a phone just to control the TV.
deleted by creator
Bluetooth mouse or mini keyboard with touchpad.
I can’t keep a mouse and mini keyboard lying around for kids and wife to use when they wanna switch to watching something else. Can’t have a phone either. It has to be a remote.
I use a Logitech K400. Small and has a built in touch pad. I even designed a wall mount for it so I can keep it out of reach of my kids.
There are even smaller devices as well, but the keyboard works fine for us.
My TV was sending so much telemetry (blocked by piHole) that from time to time it would freeze and/or lag to the point when it is unusable. I turned wifi off - never had any issues yet.
Also, it TV had over 80% of requests off all my devices in a half a year. It basically tried to ping home every 5 seconds for days.
I miss my old dumb TV. I pretty much only use HDMI input but the new TV I’ve got makes even that so annoying. I often lose 2-3 minutes just to turn it on properly. And then it wants to “setup my new device” every time and make “smart adjustments” to brightness (it always sets it to the max) and other stuff like that that I need to undo manually every time.
Oof. I’m sorry, that sucks. Now that I’ve neutered the LG it’s a great TV. Just sits there doing what it’s told, turning on and off with the receiver and never changing input.
Never seen a washing machine take someone to the cleaners before.
"There is no evidence that the data is being sold to third parties . . . "
Don’t be naive. Of course it is.
But there’s no evidence. Because they asked politely, and that’s the polite answer they got.
Does LG explain why it needs access to your photos/pictures?
A tech-savvy San Francisco resident has sparked conversation online after he shared a perplexing discovery about his LG washing machine’s seemingly voracious appetite for data on X (formerly Twitter).
In a post with more than 7 million views, Johnie Lee shared a screenshot of his machine’s data usage, which showed around 3.6GB of daily data usage. For context, 3GB of data is the rough equivalent of streaming high-definition video for an hour on a device.
Results found that smart washing machines are collecting a significant amount of user data, including personal information such as date of birth, location, and even access to photos.
There is no evidence that the data is being sold to third parties, but the prolonged lifespan of washing machines has begun to raise questions about long-term data tracking.
There is no evidence that the data is being sold to third parties
Oh well, that’s all good then. /s
So close.
What I was referencing in inaccuracy of the router is the attribution of 622 bytes to Apple iMessage.
still not everything.
There was gigabytes of data being uploaded from the IP address of the >washer. I have segregated this device to its own network and logging data >usage.
I have yet to hear from LG on how to reset/update the firmware or how to >fix the rogue washing machine.
And in yet another followup post, he clarified that is not actually the case
As this post has been incorrectly reported: Just to clarify the data usage is correctly attributed to the IP address used by the LG Washing Machine. I am monitoring the data usage more closely. What I was referencing in inaccuracy of the router is the attribution of 622 bytes to Apple iMessage. The rogue process is likely using the same port (5223) as iMessage and ASUS router is wrongly attributing it to that. There was gigabytes of data being uploaded from the IP address of the washer. I have segregated this device to its own network and logging data usage.
All I did was scroll down / read further in the link you shared, btw
Misunderstanding aside, thanks for the link!
Nothing mentioned in this thread was wrong. The misidentification is unrelated to the 3.6GiB.
As this post has been incorrectly reported: Just to clarify the data usage is correctly attributed to the IP address used by the LG Washing Machine. I am monitoring the data usage more closely.
What I was referencing in inaccuracy of the router is the attribution of 622 bytes to Apple iMessage. The rogue process is likely using the same port (5223) as iMessage and ASUS router is wrongly attributing it to that.
Yeah I was like this article again? From more than a year ago when it was just a network issue? I agree that appliances should be dumb without network connectivity, but continuing to share this is just misinformation at this point
Before: runs on watts
Now: runs on gigabytes
I really hope that people get the reference here or this gonna sound mean… then again this is Lemmy, a nerd crowd if I ever found one.:-P
Eyy, back to the future
My washing machine has wifi, but I have never even been slightly interested in enabling it. I set up a monitor to notify when done by monitoring the power consumption of the breaker. Once it drops back down to zero after a couple of minutes, it triggers a notification. I don’t know what else I could ever need.
Some machines are now hiding specific features inside apps. At least that’s the case for some dishwashers.
🫠
My washer and dryer both do that.
They still wash and dry, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT
Welp, clothes are done.
What is this devil technology?
That works when we’re nearby, yep! It’s just when we’re outside or upstairs. We hate mildewy or wrinkly clothes.
Remote start is what I want personally. Timers get 90% of the way there, but if you want to run your machine when power is cheap, needs a bit more granularity. Also, end notification is one thing, but getting a “remaining time” status is also useful for the particularly lazy among us :)
Ah, my power isn’t cheaper at certain times, so I didn’t think of that. I wonder if you could control and monitor all of it with an ESP32.
Probably could, but thats messy and out of reach for most of the general public. I’d consider myself capable, and I still haven’t done it despite wanting to.
I’d settle for appliances providing a standardised port for control/monitoring, that you can plug in your own ESP32 controller. Harder to sell to the general public.
Rheeme Econet devices do this. They have an app to control them, but there’s also a diagnostic port that exposes everything in the app and a lot more. There’s an esp32 project that connects to the port and brings all of that into Home Assistant, no app or wifi needed.
Thats awesome, will keep that in mind for the next upgrade.
While we are shouting out cool projects, for Mitsubishi electric aircon: https://github.com/echavet/MitsubishiCN105ESPHome
There is also one for daiken, but I haven’t directly tried it.
I’m using that one for my heat pump right now! It’s great!
I’ve thought about soldering one to some of the indicator leds and the start button, but that would require a lot of disassembly that I couldn’t bother with yet.
why THE FUCK does a washisng machine need wifi??
Airing dirty laundry?
Crypto mining?
Recorded audio, sent back to the corporate office to be transcribed and sold to 3rd parties.
So, ostensibly, to allow you to check on the status from your phone or get completion notifications, probably. But in reality, they want to gather as much data as they can about you and use that to sell things to you. IoT device data can provide far more insights into your life than you expect. Suddenly using the washer more, using different settings than usual? Someone else moved in or you have a new baby. Washer not used for a while along with other devices? You’re taking a vacation. Et cetera. Those details make targetting ads to you easier.
Yeah, is it really necessary to somehow control your laundry while you’re at work? You start it before you leave, and when you get home, it’s done. It’s not like you can use your cell phone to move the wet clothes into the drier anyway, so who cares?
And what kind of data are they collecting, anyway? How many times I do laundry? It’s not like they can tell which brands or products I’m using. It seems like useless empty data.
I use it to get a notification when it’s done. It seems like the timer is kind of a guess as it seems to actually take longer than what it says when the cycle starts.
Yeah, but if you are at work, do you really NEED to know when it’s done? And when your at home, can’t you just check it? Or even just listen to hear if it’s still running? Mine lets off a loud buzz when the cycle is over anyway.
WiFi in a washer/dryer is the solution to a problem nobody has.
I can’t hear the alarm in my office and get focused which causes me to delay further. It’s the system that works for me.
People dumb enough to think they need to be notified of when their laundry is done, whether washing or drying, instead of being aware of their surroundings.
I got a dumb washer and dryer because why would I need to be notified? Once you do a cycle or two you know how long it’ll take to finish.
Don’t these people set a simple timer on their phones? Or even just get an old fashioned digital kitchen timer? Or even more old fashioned analog timer?
what the hell. I’m not in school anymore. I shouldn’t have to learn anything like how long it takes my washing machine!!!
Mine beeps when it’s done. Seems sufficient.
People are so terminally online they need real life delivered to them via push notification
I will say that I’ve been to some crazy McMansion houses where the washer and dryer are practically in a separate wing away from where people spend their time
If it was a dryer I could understand it from a functional standpoint, I feel like my clothes are rarely dry after the first cycle so it would be cool to be able to start the second without needing to be in front of it. But I’m both stretching and lazy
Or, you could make more options for drier
I use it as a notification as well. When is the last time you cleaned the vents and lint trap?
Lint trap literally before every load. I was instilled from a young age with the absolute fear of a fire starting from the lint trap. Real or imagined, that shit stuck in my head to this day.
That’s cool. The real money is in the vents. At my old house, the dryer was terrible when I first moved in. The vents were pretty much packed with lint. I had the lines replaced without all the undulations the old one has. And then twice a year, I’d pull back the dryer, jam a leaf blower in and blow all the crap out.
This article is 18 months old and has circulated here and on Reddit countless times
My first time seeing it
I haven’t seen it and haven’t used Reddit in over 18 months.
Like the other guys this is my first time seeing it.
I feel like this is relevant. Although not exactly what the OC was referring to.
My washing machine has the ability to connect to Wi-Fi but I never set it up. Of course it’s a horrible idea just on the surface and it really serves no purpose.
Funny thing is, some of these devices have the ability to comb through public or unsecured access points to search for a way to send data back to the manufacturer.
Look up Amazon Sidewalk
That is precisely one of the applications I had in mind - but presumably Amazon charges vendors for that access, and what I’m describing is passive on-circuit logic to seek a free channel home.
I didn’t want a reader to think they’re safe if they just opt out of sidewalk (and somehow convince all their neighbors to do the same)
I’d argue that that’s not a funny thing at all.
Perhaps that explains why you’re not this guy’s friend … but several seasons of Family Guy, South Park, Adult Swim, and similar programming suggest that poop and piss jokes have a fairly broad audience.
Again why do you care if some adult somewhere has fun running around with a sticker and a sight gag of soiled slacks?
I went out of my way to find a washer/dryer that did not have any form of networking.
It blows my mind that you had to go out of your way to find that.
They had two or three without and they were a few hundred dollars more than most of the ones with WiFi. Actually I think the article was new when I was looking because I remember shareing it to show why I was not touching that shit with a 10 foot pole.
That’s wild. I bought a new front loader a couple years ago and I don’t recall seeing any such thing. It’s bizarre that the ones without wi-fi are more expensive. I don’t understand how there’s even a small demand for it, let alone the majority. I’m so old.
The ones with Wi-Fi are probably cheaper because they are profiting from selling your data. Just like with smart TVs.
I read a thing recently where someone was having a lot of problems with their
BekoBosch dishwasher. They’d gone for that brand because they’re known to be one of the more reliable brands, and they thought they were getting one that didn’t have silly “smart” features, but they were dismayed to find that they were wrong. I remember it caused them a lot of stress because functions that used to be available via a button on the dishwasher were no longer accessible without connecting stuff.Edit: and by “recently”, I mean a several months ago.
Edit 2: down thread, someone posted a video by the same guy, I think. I read it as a blog post, but this is the video version if you fancy watching a thing that will make you curse the modern world.
In theory it could be useful to be notified when it’s done if you’re out of earshot of the washing machine. In practice I don’t trust any manufacturer to make a machine and app that limits data to just that functionality
In theory it could be useful to be notified when it’s done if you’re out of earshot of the washing machine.
You can do that without a smart washer/dryer, if you want, by looking at the power draw. My washer/dryer don’t have any network connectivity, but I still get push notifications on my phone when the cycle is finished from a python script monitoring power draw on each circuit in my home via an IoTaWatt and influxDB.
This is a really smart solution! Thanks for sharing. I love adding functionality to existing things non-invasively and observing the power draw is just that.
This is what your phone timer is for
The time on the display rarely matches the time the machine actually takes to complete in my experience, especially for dryers.
Man, I like the ancient washer/dryer in my building. Wash = 45mins (every time) dryer is 1h (every time) good old reliable tech
Modern dryers with their crazy-ass controls piss me off. All I need is a time dial and a temperature switch.
My house has a washer and dryer time-until-finished displays. I’ve watched both of them sit on one number for ten minutes or more.
In my building it’s exactly 2 minutes less than on the display, probably because it saves the laundry contractor money without being enough to spark complaints. It’s condominiums, so complaints can cause the Board to change companies.
I think some home machines use sensors which would make the timing less accurate.
This is what not giving a shit whether your laundry is done or not is for.
I’m cool with being notified of my laundry being done and being notified of issues. The problem isn’t those kinds of features. The problem is that stealing data and company control over your device is a built-in future.
That, and the current fascination is removing options and controls from the machine and putting them only in the app. Presumably this is to entice you to use the app rather than simply ignoring it, as most people would otherwise do. The issue is that on the inevitable day they turn the servers off, you lose access to those features. Plus, how do you like not e.g. having a delay start feature at all unless your dishwasher is connected to the internet?
It doesn’t take much of a leap to predict that step 2 will be locking features behind a subscription paywall. We all know damn well that’s coming soon.
Not to speak of the app (probably) tracking the life out of you, just 'cause.
I just use it to ping me when it’s done so that I can dry and wash next load.
Why did you give it network access, you dumb cu-. Actually, never mind that: Why didn’t you just buy a washing machine? You know, a machine that washes things.
Bought a new dishwasher for my parents a couple of months ago and every single available model (at the store) had wifi/app connectivity. I could turn it off but there’s no “simple” devices available. Some of them require the app to set the machine up or at least make it harder to do without it. I mean a washing machine needs to be emptied relatively quick after it finishes washing so I at least see some use to a notification but a dishwasher? Fuck that.
Why would it need to be emptied quick?
I usually set mine to work overnight (when power’s cheaper) and take it out in the morning. Makes air drying outside more convenient as well, since it maximizes solar availability.
Not to mention, my machine is chugging along perfectly fine. 26 years and counting.
If you leave clothes sitting in a washing machine for more than a few hours they will start to mildew and smell terrible. Then you end up having to rewash everything. Or smell like mildew I guess, if thats your thing
Fair point.
Using laundry disinfectant and the self-cleaning program on the machine does help, however. If it gets so bad that it does get mildewy, I rewash on the quick cycle and do a thorough clean of the machine itself.
People say this but I’ve yet to have that happen. Have had to leave it overnight sometimes, no issue.
In which f*ssil country is power cheaper at night!?
The utterly terrible country of France. Y’know, the one with the most checks notes nuclear plants.
Aren’t spot price electricity contracts available in the US (I assume)?
In the UK it’s known as Economy 7.
I know in the american south it is, because cooling usage stabilizes. I think the most expensive times of the day is mid afternoon, when people get back from work and the cooling usage rises.
Depends on network load, power is cheapish for me right now but much better than peak. During the day around 11am onwards energy is dirt cheap, and sometimes (rarely) dips into the negatives.
Provider offers wholesale rates plus a flat fee. There are some protections in place to shield consumers from massive bills when the rate jumps to $$/KWh
Fair point, but OTOH we need people like that as whistleblowers.
I once listened to a 3h podcast about analyzing Amazon’s collected user data (they have to send it to you on request). One could argue that the author shouldn’t use Amazon so much, duh. But it was super important, revealing stuff and made big waves.
This is reddit levels of reposting. This article is 19 months old.
This article is 19 months old.
And just as relevant today as it was then. Also reddit: I haven’t seen this (particular) article before, so it’s worth reposting so I and people like me get the message.
And was debunked then as being bullshit. Numerous other people posted the logs of their machines on the network and no one even came close to these numbers. Ffs, that kind of data usage would imply VIDEO STREAMING. You’re not getting that amount from usage/diagnostic data. And I love people saying “oh well it’s audio recording you” with zero proof, let alone that none of these machines are even voice activated(themselves, not referring to using it with Alexa/Google home, in which case the thing recording you isn’t Samsung).
It’s just fear mongering with no proof because it aligns with things we’ve seen before and want to believe is true.
My grandma used to say the shit you own ends up p0ning you.
My grandma told me to buy NVDA and I was like “yeah right grandma”
Git gud kid
Time anomaly detected: please describe your grandmother in 5 words or less and her geographic location using the standard Sol coordinate system for your galaxy, a team will be dispatched to discuss this matter with her. Have a nice day!
My grandma used to say no cap fam, bussin fr ong.
That might be an indication of a stroke… does she speak any languages other than English or bad English?
Unfortunately, those are the only two I speak.
Yeah, my grandma was a big fan of the Fight Club too…
Man, I would have loved to watch that movie with either of mine, preferably at the same time.
I’m honestly not sure if they ever met 🤔
As far as I remember this was debunked and came down to faulty measuring? cabling? Nothing nefarious anyways
What was the actual amount? Importantly, was it more than 0?
Importantly, was it more than 0?
Exactly. doG, I dread the time when even used goods won’t be available without IoT BS.
No argument there 😁
The fact that it was connected and downloading anything was the fault.
Nah, people jumped on that, but it was them misunderstanding a misattributing of some imessage stuff. The washer was still dealing with shitloads of bandwidth.
Who buys a washing machine with WiFi?
It can actually be a little hard to find models from major brands without wifi. That said, there is no reason that you have to give it access to your router. I worry that they’ll start saying that a wifi connection is mandatory at some point, though.
I bought a new washing machine a year ago, I really had no troubles to find a “dumb” one
Any tips for finding a ‘dumb’ tv? One that switches on from power off in seconds, instead of a two minute loading screen?
Saw someone a few years ago recommending shopping for “commercial displays” apparently they are more expensive, but they exist. Try that out in your preferred google machine.
Lol. That might have been me. Else I’ll keep my plasma until something else comes along.
Sceptre still makes dumb tvs, as far as I know. I’ve heard quality is hit or miss. Mine works fine after 7 years, but others have said colors don’t hold and similar.
Huh, what brand? Having a smart one didn’t bother me so long as it didn’t require a connection, so maybe I didn’t look THAT hard.
It’s a Bosch WAN282H3 I bought for 440€, it’s a really nice device so far.
Edit: What I had problems with was finding a washing machine that only has physical buttons, I couldn’t find one.
Thanks! I’ve been frustrated by my LG and won’t buy one again. I’ve disassembled it twice to clean out mold. I think I’ll try Bosch next time. I love my Bosch dishwasher.
You are going to get mold in any washing machine especially if you leave the door closed.
We always leave the door open. The amount of mold has gotten awful at times and I even live in a pretty arid climate. I never had this issue with top loaders.
I’ve gotten in the habit of wiping away the moisture on the door and gasket with my clothes after a wash cycle is complete.
I worry that they’ll start saying that a wifi connection is mandatory at some point, though.
Yep. However, never will it be phrased like that. Not mandatory, some things just won’t work without it 🤷
Mafia talk.
Mmm. It’s going to be a bit of an uphill battle for manufacturers, though - not everyone has wifi signal in their laundry, that’s not a part of the house that you usually hang around in.
You’re right, but I’m sure they’ll find a way. If not next year then in ten years. Always an evaluation of customers lost vs. income gained.
Some devices cannot be properly configured without a working network connection nowadays.
The washing machines I use are controlled with an app, but that’s because they’re in the basement of my building and that’s how we all pay to use them. I have to say, it’s much better than scrounging for quarters, although those still work if the app is down. Our previous company’s app would tell how many washers were available, so you’d know if it was worth lugging your laundry downstairs. The one we have now doesn’t even have reliable “all finished” notifications. But it’s simple to set an ordinary timer on my phone.
Convenience is how they’ll get you. Combined with landlord greed in this case.
Oir dishwasher has wifi, apparently for customising programmes, its like ai, if they can add pointless features to the list marketing hopes they sell more
I recently did a kitchen remodel, and I decided I wanted one of those cabinet microwaves, so I got one, and I found out that it has functions that are locked behind a Wi-Fi connection.
This fucking thing was $1400 brand new for a fucking microwave.
Of course, I didn’t pay that, I bought it second-hand, brand-spanking new, at my local restore, but it was still $600, and it’s fucking ridiculous.
There’s literally nothing that I need from a microwave that needs to be done through my phone or on the internet.
Needless to say, it will never be paired to the internet, but the fact that manufacturers shove this stupid shit into our appliances is fucking stupid.
Nearly everyone now? About every f-ing thing with a cable (and sometimes without) comes with wifi to call home nowadays. There are toothbrushes with app-support!
Finding a reasonably modern appliance without apps and network is getting harder by the day. Sometimes you can leave the wifi unconfigured, but then you often miss a lot of functionality. Sometimes even core functionality.
Like I said in another comment, I had no problem finding a decent machine a year ago. My basement where it’s located doesn’t even have a signal.
I also never heard about tooth brushed with apps, I know it is an extreme example made by you, but I doubt there comes a point where you can’t buy normal tooth brushed anymore.
I know enshittification is hitting hard these times, but there are still enough alternatives if you look out for them. Screens and internet in fridges and stuff like that I only know from Lemmy, never have seen that in the real world. I an based in the EU, but I think (hope) it’s similar in the US.
I also never heard about tooth brushed with apps, I know it is an extreme example made by you
You know what, this is not made up! That toothbrush measures movement and pressure and stuff and tells you on-screen where your cleaning is lacking and how to fix it. Yes, it is crazy, but it exists.
No worries, I believe you in that case! Just saying it’s an extreme example ;)
You’d be surprised how hard it is to buy one without.
This year we had to replace our dishwasher and range. For both we bought basic models and both have wifi for whatever reason.
For the dishwasher (bosch) I am actually missing out on some features which they hid behind the wifi and app… we just got the range (LG) yesterday so I still do not know what the use of the wifi is… but in either case I am not using it
