News is from last year, but it’s still dystopic for anyone that missed it:
At a European Commission press briefing in Brussels on 13 October, Nunziati asked the spokesperson Paula Pinho: “You’ve repeatedly said that Russia should pay for the reconstruction of Ukraine. Do you think Israel should also pay for the reconstruction of Gaza, given that it destroyed much of the Strip and its civilian infrastructure?”
on 27 October, the journalist received a letter terminating his working relationship with the news agency, which, however, did not specify the reasons for this decision.
The Agenzia Nova news agency told Fanpage.it that Nunziati’s question was “completely out of place and technically incorrect” and had created “embarrassment for the agency”
And today he has been proven right as nations begin to demand Israel pay for their crimes in Palestine: https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-israel-compensation-school-palestine-destroyed-7022442-Apr2026/
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the problem was that the journalist can’t tell the difference between I/P and R/U
might make him a shit journalist
What is the difference?
Not OP, but I is supported by lots of countries directly, whereas R by way fewer?
Just musing, because I don’t see much of a difference beside the different levels of disgusting support of oppressors/attackers.The difference is that parent comment thinks one is okay and one isn’t. To the rest of us it’s pretty clear there’s no difference.
If P falls then I get to the sea. If U falls then R get to P,S,H,R&M
Another factor may be that U is much stronger than P.
If he couldn’t tell the difference, he’d have said that Netanyahu tried to take Kyiv or that Zelensky leads the APF. That would be a terrible mistake to make.
He can tell the difference though. When making an analogy, you can ignore some of the differences to make a point about the similarities. And if there are relevant differences, the question he posed will draw those out. It’s a good question.
I’m not a journalist nor anywhere near that field, what’s I/P and R/U?
edit: Israel/Palestine and Russia/Ukraine?
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Israel must have video of world leaders doing some really crazy shit. The fact that every single country is bending over backwards to capitulation to Netanyahu is insane.
Have you watched the TV show “Happy!”?
It was cancelled out of nowhere after two seasons.
I bet someone wanted to keep that plot out of the cultural zeitgeist.Have you watched the TV show “Happy!”?
No…
I bet someone wanted to keep that plot out of the cultural zeitgeist.
What was the plot?
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Y’know, I wonder who each of them (or their supporters/allies) gets their weapons from? /s
My guess is that they’re calculating that it’s better to capitulate than to have to rehome the millions of Israeli citizens if Israel ceases to exist. They’re trying to keep Israel as a containment zone, because if Israel falls, where the Jews go? I can’t think of a single country in the region that would take them willingly. They’d have to migrate to the US or Europe.
Or maybe, just hear me out, live in peace with your neighbors?
Have we tried just not being dicks to eachother?
Nope, better bomb some elementary schools then I guess cuz we’re all out of ideas, and we’ve tried nothing else.
This was months ago, and I don’t see any newer news stories about him, I guess he did not get reinstated?
Probably not, can’t find any other news on him. Knowing how things work, he’s probably had to pivot careers at this point.
The Agenzia Nova news agency told Fanpage.it that Nunziati’s question … had created “embarrassment for the agency”
Embarrassment for the agency = CEO’s pee tapes released?
Why do they think they’re committing the genocide? Of course they’re going to pay to rebuild it.
They’ll just be building for themselves, though.
Exactly
The agency probably doesn’t get invited to conferences anymore.
Netanyahu’s spies must have a lot of people under their control.
- Israel’s spies
Netanyahu wasn’t around during the nakba, he wasn’t PM for the 1967 war, he wasn’t PM during the Sabra and Shatila massacres, he wasn’t PM when the Landau report legalized torture against Palestinians, and so on. The problem is the country, not its PM du jour.
Being fired for it is obviously not the correct response, but also Israel is not in Europe. I’m not sure the European Commission is the right group to ask about that.
Israel is a European & American colony, so it is a very pertinent question to the EU.
Kinda seems like the other way around
Colony is certainly the wrong term here. Israel is hardly getting exploited by Europe or the US, nor is Israel being settled by a Europeans and/or US Americans in general. While one could make the point that those settlers have been Europeans/US Americans, that is not really how they viewed themselves or what was their motivation either.
My bad. Should have written settler colony. The first “Israelis” (of the modern state) were settlers from Europe & America. They replaced the indigenous people there. Early zionist thinkers were clear that zionism was a colonial endeavor and were insipired by European colonialism. What their motivations were is irrelevant, as the methods and the end effect was the same.
There is a long list of proof for this argument in BE’s video
They don’t consider themselves European however and haven’t really when the settled there either. So they might be colonists from Europe/the US but they are not European colonists. Yes, European colonial powers sold land that wasn’t theirs for that but that doesn’t change that point. Zionists don’t see themselves as Europeans. If they were inspired by European colonialism? Not saying they weren’t.
This isn’t about motivation. Israel is simply not a European colony, which European capital exploits and controls it after all?
Israel is simply not a European colony, which European capital exploits and controls it after all?
In the age of global capitalism, chests of riches don’t need to be delivered to the empire’s capital. They are distributed among capitalists that profit from the region, like NVIDIA and many others, some of which have also been called out in the UN.
Besides, settler colonialism, unlike extractive colonialism, doesn’t necessarily result in the subordination of the newly created society. The USA, Canada and Australia are still useful to European interests even centuries after their creation. In fact they’ve formed a major world block (including Israel) that is aligned in almost everything:
The USA, Canada and Australia were all exploited by the crown, when it still had a strong control over them.
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Even if you assume that the 1200 killed on Oct 7th were all killed by Hamas (they weren’t), Israel has still murdered 6 times more Palestinians just since 2008:
Many of which were barbaric massacres of civilians like:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Wehda_Street_airstrikes
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_al-Maqadma_Mosque_attack
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Temple_Mount_killings
Crawl back to your zionist hole
resistance is criminal. Now let me see that backside of yours… I’ll take good care of it I promise
Let me tell you a bit more about what you call “resistence”. Hamas October 7 incursion was arguably a genocide against Israel. For example Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears:
In the video, the woman known as Witness S mimes the attackers picking up and passing the victim from one to another.
“She was alive,” the witness says. “She was bleeding from her back.”
She goes on to detail how the men cut off parts of the victim’s body during the assault.
“They sliced her breast and threw it on the street,” she says. “They were playing with it.”
The victim was passed to another man in uniform, she continues.
“He penetrated her, and shot her in the head before he finished. He didn’t even pick up his pants; he shoots and ejaculates.”
One man we spoke to from the festival site said he heard the “noises and screams of people being murdered, raped, decapitated”.
And Hamas kidnapped 250 Israeli civilians and soldiers were also taken as hostages to the Gaza Strip, including 30 kidnapped children. Is kidnapping 30 children “resistence”?
This clown just defended Israel’s genocide with a straight face while calling October 7 a genocide. How can anyone take this kind of person seriously?
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You know what i think? hamas is justified to resist and defend Palestine, and israel doesn’t have a right to exist. Fuck israel! Death to the IDF
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I’m pretty sure I remember that the people who attacked the music festival had recently escaped from an Israeli concentration camp
Genocide is bad, even if a portion of those killed in the process are evil assholes.
you aren’t scaring me today boy. Grow up whenever you feel ready
Hamas October 7 incursion was arguably a genocide against Israel.
Anything is “arguably” anything…
But this isn’t the community for the type of argument you’re looking for.
It is a stupid question.
The Ukraine war was started as an offensive war by Russia. So obviously Russia should pay.
But everything else you wrote after there was just plain incorrect. Israel is genociding Gaza
You mean the Imperialist fascist EU did a fascist move? I am SHOCKED I tell you!
See everyone, this is the person who is meant when people complain that “fascist” is used in an inflationary way. Thinking that the whole EU is fascist makes you completely blind to seeing and fighting the signs of actual fascism.
What did the EU have to do with a news agency firing him?
Selective press invites.
typical .ml degeneration
Get ready for the downvotes, European liberals fucking hate being confronted with reality. They love complaining about Trump, but nicht mein Europa!!
Not sure what you are smoking. Fascist Magastan is fucked, and von der Leyen & buddies are evil pieces of shit - I know no one who doesn’t vote conservative or (blue) Nazis who has a problem admitting that.
I’m not smoking anything sadly – I ran out of weed last week.
Any time I point out that MAGA is not a uniquely American issue and that Europe is also descending into the grips of fascism, I always get a bunch of downvotes. Especially on communities like [email protected]
I think it’s just wishful thinking and denialism from people who probably are insulated from the societal collapse that many of us are seeing - basically, moderately wealthy european liberals, centrists and conservatives.
Europe is also descending into the grips of fascism,
Absolutely. :( And it is mostly the centrist / conservative parties embracing facist policies, while most of the conversative voters are morons pretending they are still voting for a legitimate party.
I always get a bunch of downvotes. Especially on communities like [email protected]
My experience - formerly from reddit - and here is that “europe” channels are the European version of MAGA idiots. Those could be wholesome places, but instead they are infested with morons and trolls. I suspect in part because trolls that do not speak any (other) European language can blend right in with English trolling.
I’m going to wager that you’ve never lived in any EU countries, or spent significant time in any of them
I’ll take that wager! I was born and raised in the EU and I’ve travelled extensively all over Europe. I actually only ever left Europe once, when I visited NYC when I was a teenager.
What do I win? I’m guessing you’re relatively wealthy, so a cash prize would be much appreciated! Happy to work out the details over DMs ;p
Oh, so you just regurgitate Russian propaganda out of your own free will?
You should ask to get paid.
Mate, the rise of fascism is supported by Russia to destabilize Europe. Russia itself is a fascist state. Almost every European nation has a rising far-right. I am just speaking the truth, if you don’t like it, frankly, that’s your problem. Go and get involved in activist efforts in your local area or something instead of shooting the messenger.
What out of what he said do you think is Russian propaganda? I am genuinely curious.
I mean, that comparison was unwarranted and unwanted by the agency he worked for. Calling this “actual journalism” in the title is misleading. You can ask that question without equating Israel-Palestine and Russia-Ukraine that way.
Then that agency isn’t a news agency, it’s a marketing agency.
True, but also the agency hold the employment contract so…
This is how capitalism leads to fascism, because the ruling class control the media and use it to advance their own interests.
I’ll share my more detailed explanation:
How does capitalism inevitably lead to fascism?
Basically, the issue with capitalism is that the more wealth you have, the easier it is for you to make more money. And since money can be used to buy goods, services and influence, there is always a way to use money to gain more political and social power. With that political and social power, you can push society and the legal system in the direction you want to go. So you can use your wealth to gain power, and then you can use your power to change laws and society so that you can make even more wealth and power. It’s a positive feedback loop.
Obviously, though, if the billionaires and ruling class are accumulating more and more of our society’s wealth, that inevitably means that there’s less for everyone else to go around - therefore, working class people feel poorer and poorer. Meanwhile, the economy is going absolutely great for rich people, so inflation continues to go up - everything gets more expensive, but wages don’t increase. The wealthy just keep more and more of the wealth for themselves. To accumulate more and more wealth, they change the laws so that they can avoid paying taxes, so public services collapse. Politicians are lobbied to ensure that public funds are diverted away from where it is most needed - housing, healthcare, transportation, infrastructure - and instead into industries where their class interests most benefit from it, such as weapons manufacturing and extractive industries such as fossil fuels and mining.
The working class are bound to notice that their lives are getting shittier and shittier, and if that situation is left unchecked, the working class would realize that the ruling class are fucking them over, rise up, and overthrow their rulers. Obviously, the ruling class need to do something about this, but there’s no solution that the ruling class can offer. They’re causing all of the problems, to fix them they’d have to give up some of their wealth and power - and that’s not something they’re going to do. So they need to find someone else to blame the problems we have in society on. Unfortunately, though, no matter who they blame the problems on, and no matter what they do to “fix” it, the issue will continue to persist, because the material conditions underlying the issues are, very intentionally, never addressed.
So, the conundrum returns: The ruling class said that minority A caused all of the problems, minority A is persecuted and oppressed, but society doesn’t actually get any better. Either the problem wasn’t minority A, or minority A just hasn’t been oppressed enough yet. So the ruling class can either escalate the oppression, or they can shift the focus to another minority group. The division continues to escalate in terms of how vitriolic and extreme it is, and it also continues to divide the working class into smaller and smaller groups.
To get the working class to buy into this hateful message, they need to take advantage of our worst instincts, and one of those instincts is the in-group bias. The majority are manipulated into being suspicious, then intolerant, then hateful, then violent, then genocidal, towards whatever the targeted minority of the day is. Anything that can be used to divide the working class - sexuality, nationality, immigration status, ethnicity, religion, sex, gender identity, age, all of these will be used as wedges to keep the working class split apart and not working together, because they know that if the working class actually unite against them, they are completely and truly fucked.
That’s exactly how fascism manifests. It’s because it’s possible for people to accumulate power through wealth. This is why capitalism must be abolished. If we do not abolish capitalism, fascism will always return. It’s just a matter of time.
My news agency didn’t want me to report the news. It’s obviously only “actual journalism” if you report exactly what your boss tells you to.
It’s a fair comparison.
that comparison was unwarranted
Can you explain why you feel that way? Genuinely asking in good faith, I can’t understand what you might be objecting to about it, but I’d like to hear your perspective.
Russias invasion was completely unprovoked, they deliberately target civilians as a policy at range with shahed drones and missiles and in occupied areas in a way that leads to mass graves. They deny Ukrainian culture exists, kidnapping children (who I think some got shipped to north korea) and move Russians into the territories to replace Ukrainians.
Israel always had tensions and responded to Oct 7, they don’t deliberately target civilians, Hamas uses human shields, which leads to dead civilians. (Many rouge soldiers who go largely unpunished, but no statewide policy, so no indiscriminate bombing.) No mass graves from street executions, no children kidnapped. Moving Israelis in to replace Palestinians does happen in the west bank, but not Gaza and it’s not really state policy, although they really should crack down on that.
Again, the question makes sense, as for what Israels obligation is, but the comparison is very weird. Also I don’t know if Palestinians want Israel to help rebuild and as long as Hamas is the Government there, Israel will not send money for rebuilding, only to have Hamas buy weapons with it.
I would also bet that this is not the first issue the journalist had with his employer.
Oh!!! You’re a zionist. That makes a lot of sense. Sorry, I kinda forgot people like you still exist on Lemmy, I thought pretty much everyone had accepted Israel is conducting genocide, but I guess there are still genocide deniers among us, unfortunately.
I was low-key expecting you to say that it was uncouth to compare a genocide to a military conflict
Israel always had tensions and responded to Oct 7, they don’t deliberately target civilians
Oh sweet summer child. I don’t know if you’re being ignorant or deliberately a shameless zionist.
Except there is evidence and actual videos of Israeli soldiers doing the very thing you say they aren’t doing.
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You’re right, Israel-Palestine cannot be equated to the Russian invasion of Ukraine because the former is a genocide whereas the latter isn’t. This makes the comparison even more relevant though: “if you call for war reparations here arguing from international law, how are you not calling for even more reparations there from genocide under international law?”
Relocating children? Only allow the Russian language in occupied areas? Deny that Ukrainians have their own culture and are/should be part of the Motherlandtm? Looks at least like an attempt at genocide to me.
Relocating children?
The main source for this claim is the Ukrainian government though, there’s no independent journalistic reporting confirming that this is happening at scale
Only allow the Russian language in occupied areas?
Likely true, haven’t done any research but sounds plausible
Deny that Ukrainians have their own culture and are/should be part of the Motherlandtm?
That’s what Ukraine was doing In eastern Ukraine but backwards, and it’s very bad policy in both cases. However, this unfortunately happens in essentially every modern nation state (look at Occitan/Breton in France as an example).
In conclusion: Russia is engaging in Russian nationalist policy, and homogenization of culture, which is policy I hate and condemn, but not enough to call genocide unless we say that most modern atates are engaging in genocide.
Thousands of children have been deported to the Russian Federation or transferred to occupied areas in Ukraine by Russian authorities, according to the Commission. It has so far verified the deportation or transfer of over 1,200 children from five regions in Ukraine.
Since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, an estimated 20,000 Ukrainian childrenhave been unlawfully deported and forcibly transferred to Russia and the temporarily occupied territories.
https://commission.europa.eu/topics/eu-solidarity-ukraine/bringing-ukrainian-children-back-home_en
The “estimated 20.000” figure comes directly from the Ukrainian government, and as I claimed, hasn’t been independently verified. The 1.200 by OHCHR is likely true as they claim are confirmed independently (thank you for your source), and while I thoroughly condemn it, I wouldn’t argue it amounts to genocide. Forcible removals of custody from children are something Roma people are forced to in Europe very regularly, and while a disgusting practice, I wouldn’t agree that it amounts to genocide.
At least four out of five criteria are documented. And while I think Russia/Ukraine and Isreal/Palestine are not comparable in a lot of aspects, what Russia is trying to achieve still does look like an attempt at genocide.
The Genocide Convention recognizes five distinct genocidal acts:
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killing members of the group,
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causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group,
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deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part,
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imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group, and
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forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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Russia is absolutely not deliberately inflicting group conditions calculated to bring their destruction. Compare civilian casualty rates in the US invasion of Iraq vs Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. You are grasping at individual instances, not widespread practices.
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