Police said a suspect was in custody after the shooting near the Capital Jewish Museum

Police said a suspect was in custody after the shooting near the Capital Jewish Museum

A suspect is in custody after shooting dead two Israeli embassy staff outside a Jewish museum in Washington on Wednesday night.

The gunman, named by police as Elias Rodriguez, 30, of Chicago, approached a group of four people leaving an event at the Capital Jewish Museum and opened fire, killing Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Milgrim.

Metropolitan police chief Pamela Smith said the shooter had been pacing outside the museum, which is steps away from the FBI’s field office, before the shooting.

After killing the pair, who officials said were a couple, he walked inside, where event security detained him. The suspect yelled: “Free, free Palestine,” after he was arrested, police said.

  • glimse@lemmy.world
    10816·
    6 个月前

    It sucks that more people died. It also sucks that I feel so…indifferent about this one.

    How many Israelis have to die before they stop killing Palestinians? What’s two lives compared to the hundreds ended daily in Gaza? It’s hard to be sad.

    These people probably weren’t evil. At worst, they were complicit after being fed a lifetime of propaganda. And nothing will change because of this so there’s no silver lining. It’s hard to be happy.

    If I feel anything, it’s dread at how the story will be spun. But even then…whatever happens isn’t going to be the worse than what’s already happening.

    So it’s hard to care at all. And that’s the sad part for me.

    • its_prolly_fine@sh.itjust.works
      4312·
      6 个月前

      The government of Israel is evil.
      These people worked for the embassy.

      We can’t condemn people in broad terms. That is what started this. Killing someone because of their nationally, race, or job, is wrong. It’s more senseless killing, adding to the hundreds of Palestinians killed.

      Guard yourself against seeing individuals as the enemy, when their only sin is where they were born.

      • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
        388·
        6 个月前

        They weren’t just born there (and given the number of settlers over there, that’s doubtful tbh). They took a state job representing, and lobbying for this genocide.

        It’s a tragedy that it has come to this, but it’s not wrong. It’s wrong that it has to be this way.

        • cattywampas@lemm.eeEnglish
          87·
          6 个月前

          How do you know they were lobbying for genocide? For all we know they were against it and working for a peaceful solution. Not everyone who works for a government is part of the ideology. That’s no better than saying every Democrat is MAGA.

          • AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world
            227·
            6 个月前

            Ambassadors are appointed. If they were not in favor of the administration they would be recalled and replaced by ones that were.

            It is beyond the shadow of a doubt that these people were directly involved in advocating for greater crackdowns on pro-Palestine antigenocide protesting.

            It is a shame that they were murdered. It’s a greater shame that the deaths of these two people who consented to be a part of a war machine will get greater attention than the thousands of children they spent their final days ensuring would starve.

            These two people are not anymore important than the hundreds of journalists doctors and aid workers Israel has murdered in their genocidal pursuit of their purified ethnostate.

            These two people lived by the sword. These two people died by the sword. There are bigger problems in the world than the death of two soldiers in a war.

            • Optional@lemmy.world
              73·
              6 个月前

              Ambassadors are appointed. If they were not in favor of the administration they would be recalled and replaced by ones that were.

              I suppose, but they weren’t ambassadors. So - that’s wrong.

              It is beyond the shadow of a doubt that these people were directly involved in advocating for greater crackdowns on pro-Palestine antigenocide protesting.

              Damn, a shadow of a doubt?! Holy shit you must have the motherfucking receipts on these sumbitches, let’s see it! Whatcha got, facebook post? Tiktok? Some sort of cleverly disguised academic treatise?

              Yeah you got nothing. GTFO.

              These two people lived by the sword.

              Oh FFS.

          • zedar@lemmy.world
            84·
            6 个月前

            Yeah ,maybe they felt really bad for all the children the Israelis target and the starvation of the population of 2.3 million.

            You are high on something, this is not how Zionism works. Most Israelis support the genocide.

            • Optional@lemmy.world
              310·
              6 个月前

              Most Israelis support Israel which, until a few years ago, was a-ok on account of the previous thousands of years of persecution in every other country in the world, cresting in the unpleasantness of the early-mid 1900s which set quite the bar for evil and horror.

              Then Likud - like all republiQan, right-wing authoritarian regimes - seized power and started fucking everything up in incredible, outrageous ways. Americans should be familiar.

              I don’t know what they did for the embassy, but it could be something utterly harmless and treating them like enemy combatants when they’re in an entirely different country at a museum is wrong.

              I get the hate at the Likud/IDF for the genocide. Y’all are losing the plot by thinking this is ok though. It is very much not okay.

          • hiphopheaven@lemmy.cafeEnglish
            1·
            6 个月前

            You just have to check Lischinsky tweets and retweet oposing a palestinian state because it would be a gift to Khamas

        • rational_lib@lemmy.world
          1·
          6 个月前

          Killing is only justified if it saves lives. Anyone can see this act will cost lives on both sides. And 1000x as many on the Palestinian side.

          Let’s be real, this guy wanted to be a badass and get praise and attention. And he doesn’t care how many die because of that.

      • glimse@lemmy.world
        112·
        6 个月前

        That’s exact what I’m trying to say - they didn’t deserve to die and nothing good will come from it.

        I will admit I WAS happy about the UHC CEO because he was directly involved in the decisionmaking that led to suffering. But this one doesn’t feel like vengeance - until I hear otherwise, these were just two people caught in the crossfire. Bullets should be flying at Netanyahu and his cronies, not embassy employees.

      • bishbosh@lemm.eeEnglish
        6·
        6 个月前

        Killing someone because of their nationally, race, or job, is wrong.

        One of these things is not like the others.

      • Optional@lemmy.world
        5·
        6 个月前

        Guard yourself against seeing individuals as the enemy, when their only sin is where they were born.

        Kansas City?

    • jimmy90@lemmy.world
      41·
      6 个月前

      i know how you feel, it’s just like the thousands of other terrorist acts against Jews over the centuries

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6117·
    6 个月前

    After killing the pair, who officials said were a couple, he walked inside, where event security detained him. The suspect yelled: “Free, free Palestine,” after he was arrested, police said.

    Certainly plausible…

    But I don’t trust the police or embassy officials from a country that’s spent years committing a genocide.

    They’re not trustworthy witnesses.

    If anyone is upset about that and wants it to change, you should go tell the cops and Israel to stop murdering people and then claiming it was self defense.

    When you lie about shit constantly, people just stop taking your word on shit

    • Stovetop@lemmy.world
      279·
      6 个月前

      Video is all over the news of this happening. Suffice to say the conservatives/Israelis are now winning the propaganda war in the US with this event.

      • gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world
        302·
        6 个月前

        They’ve been winning it for a long time because multiple governments around the world have outlawed dissent in a lot of different ways. This event isn’t going to change anybody’s opinions on the underlying conflict it’s just going to make everyone dig in deeper.

        • Stovetop@lemmy.world
          103·
          6 个月前

          It makes it more of an uphill battle. This will absolutely be used to justify further criminalizing pro-Palestine speech and public demonstrations.

      • grue@lemmy.world
        122·
        6 个月前

        You’re not wrong, but it’s also an indication of just how thoroughly the Israelis have destroyed their credibility/moral high ground that my immediate thought after reading your comment was that maybe the shooter was Mossad doing a false-flag operation to manufacture that result.

        • Stovetop@lemmy.world
          31·
          6 个月前

          It’s gonna be used as propaganda, yeah. This will be the strawman for all pro-Palestine sentiment in the US for the near future.

    • gnutrino@programming.devEnglish
      374·
      6 个月前

      You’re badly underestimating the scale of some of the post WWII genocides. The Khemer Rouge potentially killed more people than the total population of Gaza for example…

    • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      6 个月前

      The genocide of the Tigray had three times the deaths and only happened two years ago.

      The Rwandan genocide and Hutu genocide during the Congo war killed hundreds of thousands in the 1990s.

      This is only the most recent events that came to mind.

  • crusa187@lemmy.ml
    419·
    6 个月前

    Israel is now the primary driver of antisemitism throughout the world.

      • nieminen@lemmy.world
        1·
        6 个月前

        I don’t blame Jews for what’s happening, I blame Israel. Yes, there are many Jews that support what’s happening, but that’s no different from any other body of people.

        Claiming what Israel is doing right now reflects on all Jews is the same as blaming trump on all Americans.

      • GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        0·
        6 个月前

        They said Israel. You said Jews. You’re aware those are separate entities, yes? Or are you playing pedantic word games on purpose…?

        • nieminen@lemmy.world
          0·
          6 个月前

          Looking into this, it turns out all the dictionaries indeed seem to say it’s jew specific, which I think is a failing of the English language, because Jews are a drop in the bucket for semitic populations.

          I’ll concede your point, despite the word structure literally implying something bigger.

          Wikipedia

          Webster

          Oxford

          Edit added references

          • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            6 个月前

            The term Antisemitism was invented in German, so no inherent limitation of English. Anti comes from Ancient Greek in the first place, so no this isn’t a limitation of English.

            There are many terms and words used, which aren’t simply the sum of its parts.

            A hammer has nothing to do with ham for example.

            • nieminen@lemmy.world
              1·
              6 个月前

              I’m referring to the fact that “anti” and “semitism” are existing complete words. Every other example of a word given the “anti” prefix that i can think of is very clearly meaning, the opposite or against the existing definition of the word.

              Antidisestablishmentarianism Antisocial Anticlimactic Antiacidemic Antibacterial Antifreeze Antihero Antihistamine

              Hammer in your comment is a poor example, because hammer is its own word, despite the first three letters happening to be an existing other word. Antisemitism is clearly anti and semitism.

              What’s annoying, is since this term was coined (as you said, in germany), it was purely a dog whistle for jew hatred.

              Wikipedia:

              The compound word antisemitismus was first used in print in Germany in 1879[19] as a “scientific-sounding term” for Judenhass (lit. ‘Jew-hatred’),[20] and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone.[21][22][23] Due to the root word Semite, the term is sometimes subject to an etymological fallacy whereby it is incorrectly assumed to apply to racist hatred directed at “Semitic people”, in spite of this being an obsolete racial concept.[23]

              We need to let language do its thing, and adjust the meaning of this word to mean what it appears to mean, not some wink wink nudge nudge version you have to know ahead of time.

              • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
                1·
                6 个月前

                Antiair weapons don’t fight or kill the air.

                Antisemitism was introduced as a more polite and scientific sounding euphemism for anti-Judaism. It’s just like racists today calling themselves race realists.

  • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
    324·
    6 个月前

    Genuinely awful for these two and their families, but the same can be said for ~53,000 dead Palestinians and the rest who are actively starving to death in a Israeli-made famine while aid rots onboard trucks across the border. Both acts are deliberate, and both were avoidable.

    And while they were both working for the current extremists in power atm via the diplomatic service, they were a lot more moderate too:

    Lischinsky “I’m an ardent believer in the vision that was outlined in the Abraham Accords and believe that expanding the circle of peace with our Arab neighbours and pursuing regional cooperation is in the best interest of the state of Israel and the Middle East as a whole. To this end, I advocate for interfaith dialogue and intercultural understanding.”

    Milgrim organised visits and missions to Israel. She was also a volunteer at Tech2Peace, an advocacy group training young Palestinians and Israelis and promoting dialogue between them.

    Tech2Peace said Milgrim was an active volunteer who “brought people together with empathy and purpose”.

    • TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
      191·
      6 个月前

      I mean also…

      “In his final post on social media hours before the attack, Lischinsky had shared a post from the Israeli ambassador, Amir Weissbrod, accusing UN officials of engaging in “blood libel” over claims that 14,000 children faced starvation in Gaza.”

      Not saying they deserved any violence, but even once moderate Israelis have been driven pretty far right in the last couple years. Accusations of blood libel while the state is actively starving children doesn’t exactly seem to be promoting any positive dialogue.

      • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
        10·
        6 个月前

        Yeeeesh, hadn’t seen that reporting…

        It’s unbelievably disappointing to see over and over again that Israelis are broadly okay with the death and destruction in Gaza, when a little over a generation ago they were on the cusp of a genuine two-state solution. And now it’s an ethnostate that practices apartheid, and it’s okay because “Bibi keeps us safe”. Almost as if nothing else matters.

    • Petersson@feddit.org
      57·
      6 个月前

      Genuinely awful for these two and their families

      Yeah.

      Genuinely awful for these two and their families, but

      Stop. It’s awful. Period!

      • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
        21·
        6 个月前

        A) One lone gunman goes off the rails and murders two people because they’re Jewish/affiliated with the state. That’s tragic and wrong, and I haven’t yet seen anyone claim that his actions were good and right.

        B) An entire government and military decides that their course of action shall be wanton bombing with callous disregard for innocent civilian bystanders, whilst deliberately restricting food, fuel, and medical care to a blockaded nation. That’s willful evil, that is being either openly or implicitly supported by an overwhelming majority of Israelis.

        The two scenarios are not the same, but they both are tragic.

        • Petersson@feddit.org
          34·
          6 个月前

          But if two people are killed, you don’t have to say: “Well, but what about…”

          • TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
            41·
            6 个月前

            I mean context is always important. Pretty sure any murder investigation goes into the motivation of the person who killed the victims.

            I think it’s important to dispel the notion that the occupation of a neighboring country is somehow an act of protection, when it’s pretty obvious that it’s sparked a lot of provocation.

            • Petersson@feddit.org
              31·
              6 个月前

              But they didn’t just pointed out the context. They said: “Genuinely awful for these two and their families, but the same can be said for ~53,000 dead Palestinians […]”. That wording tends to whataboutism which is something I just want to point out. I may be overreacting but this sentence just sounds very adverse.

              • TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
                2·
                6 个月前

                I mean, I don’t think you get to decide what the scope of the context is.

                For this not to be contextual you would have to claim that the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians had nothing to do with the gunman’s motive. I think that would be hard to claim considering that the murders were politically motivated, considering that the two victims were diplomats.

                I think people have gotten a little too comfortable with claiming anything that shares a sentence structure with a logical fallacy to be a logical fallacy. You have to remember that logical fallacies have to be illogical in the first place. It’s not illogical to assume these two claims are associated.

                Whataboutism have to equivocate two different scenarios that aren’t logically associated with the events in the originating claim.

              • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
                1·
                6 个月前

                Why are we like this online? Why does the inbox regularly receive with “well ahktually” replies compared to real discussion or comments?

                But the same [sympathy towards grieving families] can also be said…

                • Not “but tbh they deserve it bc Gaza”
                • Not “but I don’t care”
                • Not “but this is what they get for working for Israeli state”

                Please don’t twist what I said to build a narrative where I’m some crypto-bigot trying to plant hatred. I wish the Israel apologists applied anywhere near that same level of effort towards the people who actually spew antisemitism…

                This exact sentiment is why people don’t talk about Israel, but their reputation globally is in the gutter. Or how actual neo-nazis can pass fake Voltaire quotes alleging the Jews control the global media, because criticism of Israel is verboten:

                US congressman shares neo-Nazi’s quote wrongly attributed to Voltaire

                CLAIM: French philosopher Voltaire said: “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

                AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Enlightenment-era writer Voltaire did not say this. The quote, which was paraphrased, comes from a 1993 radio broadcast by Kevin Alfred Strom, who has been identified as a neo-Nazi by organizations that monitor hate groups.

          • Bilb!@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1·
            6 个月前

            In a vacuum that makes sense, but this is going to be used to rationalize/justify some nasty shit. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to brace for that.

          • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
            1·
            6 个月前

            Yes, you’re right, the two events are entirely unrelated. Clearly just another case of anti-semitism out of nowhere. No possible other reason or context exists as to why the gunman was shouting “Free Palestine” as he was arrested after committing double murder.

            Whatabboutism is when you deflect from one action perpetrated by your group, towards another action perpetrated by an out-group. Me expressing remorse for their deaths alongside the people their government murdered is not “Well what about…”

            • Petersson@feddit.org
              11·
              6 个月前

              Clearly just another case of anti-semitism out of nowhere

              I never said that and you don’t have to put words in my mouth. Rest here, that’s all I wanted to say.

              E: Putting words im mouths by the way doesn’t really help people to change their mind or discuss constructively, what I tried to do.

    • Gointhefridge@lemm.ee
      366·
      6 个月前

      Peace for whom? As far as I can tell since Nakba, the Palestinian people have not really had peace. Additional many other countries are often suffering under the boot of colonialism.

    • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
      162·
      6 个月前

      Latest figures are that 61,700 have been killed in Gaza since Oct 7th 2023, so a bit of napkin maths suggest we are 3% of the way towards peace in Gaza through the IDF’s preferred method.

      • limer@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        4·
        6 个月前

        These numbers in Gaza are always undercounted. It counts direct acts of violence mostly, for people not still buried under rubble, and skips many deaths from lack of medicine, sickness, famine, complications etc.

        Estimated deaths was about 200k many months ago, according to studies published in reputable newspapers. I have no clue how high it is now, has to be over 300,000 people at least

            • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
              4·
              6 个月前

              All of them have been bombed. Most are no longer even partially operational, and even then that’s without the medical supplies also cut off from Israeli’s blockade

    • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
      41·
      6 个月前

      There is always a war going on somewhere. Some areas have longer breaks than others.

    • kn0wmad1c@programming.devEnglish
      31·
      6 个月前

      Small, weak men can never be happy with what they have because they feel small and weak. They will always crave more.

  • xenomor@lemmy.world
    3322·
    6 个月前

    Facilitating a genocide shouldn’t be a safe endeavor. Fuck these assholes.

    • Optional@lemmy.world
      1021·
      6 个月前

      Do explain how they facilitated a genocide.

      Or STFU. Seriously. Explain why you think they deserved to be murdered in the US in front of a museum for having worked at the embassy. Seekrit MOSSAD maybe? Did they know (((others))) in the banking halls of power and the media and were plotting with them?? You have the answers, obviously, do share them. Or admit you don’t.

      • xenomor@lemmy.world
        199·
        6 个月前

        They worked for the embassy. The embassy is part of the state. The state is a criminally violent, fascist ethno-state that’s organized around apartheid and ethnic displacement. That state is actively perpetrating a genocide, murdering innocent civilians on a daily basis. That state is actively orchestrating mass starvation, right now. That state targets children, journalists, takes hostages, and actively, openly uses sexual violence to torture hostages. These individuals knew about this and chose to worked for and support that state. If these were German embassy employees in 1942, I doubt you would be so stridently outraged by this violence. I will not tolerate your implication that I am participating in antisemitic conspiracy theories. This has NOTHING to do with Jewish people, and for you to imply that it does IS ANTISEMITISM, and makes Jewish people less safe. FUCK YOU for doing that!

          • xenomor@lemmy.world
            3·
            6 个月前

            Nope. Not even close. Stop making stuff up asshole. As I have explained elsewhere on the thread, culpability is relative to role/actions and the severity of the organization’s crimes. I also explained that none of this violence is good. I’m not advocating for violence, I’m explaining that is inevitable when people and organizations perpetuate unbelievable violence, it’s going to blow back. I DONT WANT VIOLENCE. That’s why I’m so outraged at Israel’s fucking violence.

            • kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              1·
              6 个月前

              You really are, the US is the primary funder and arms provider of the genocide in Palestine, it is a christo-fascist oligarchy built on multiple genocides and the two largest scale ethnic displacements in world history. Neither of which have had substantive reparations paid for. The state is actively in the process of in large part ethnically motivated murder, mass incarceration, mass displacement, family separation, torture, and placement in concentration camps. By your logic anyone working for that state is culpable and a legitimate target of political violence. Be logically consistent or get out.

              • xenomor@lemmy.world
                1·
                6 个月前

                I basically agree with you assessment of the US. You are either unaware of or ignoring the nuance I added to the description of my position elsewhere in the thread. But, whatever.

        • Optional@lemmy.world
          713·
          6 个月前

          So anyone working for a part of the state is responsible for the actions of that state?

          The undersecretary of Education is responsible for splitting up mothers and children at the border in 2017?

          That’s the same reasoning. Show that it is not, if you can.

          • xenomor@lemmy.world
            93·
            6 个月前

            I don’t think it’s a binary. Culpability is relative to one’s role and actions. The severity of state action is also a factor and as that severity increases, culpability expands. I want to be explicit, I hate violence and I wish this had not happened. That being said, such violence is an inevitable consequence of circumstances like what the State of Israel and the US are orchestrating. To quote JFK:

            “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

            • Optional@lemmy.world
              37·
              6 个月前

              Culpability is relative to one’s role and actions.

              You stated that these two murder victems “facilitated a genocide”. Then you explained that that was because they worked for the state of Israel.

              Now their presumed culpability is relative to their role and actions, which brings us back to the very first question - what were their roles and actions that made them culpable for the genocide in Palestine?

              • xenomor@lemmy.world
                32·
                6 个月前

                According to the reporting so far, they worked for the embassy. That is, they worked directly in the foreign relations office of the state doing the genocide, facilitating the relationship between that state and its sole benefactor, the US, which is funding the genocide, providing materiel and intelligence to further the genocide, and running cover in the international community for the genocide. The embassy for that country in this country with this shared project is pretty high up the list in terms of being participants in that project. We aren’t talking about the janitor cleaning the kitchen at the food court. I would also emphasize the severity of the project these people are engaged in.

                Now, if subsequent reporting is done that shows that these two pretty butterflies were selflessly throwing themselves into the gears of that genocide machine, and working to undermine Israel and the US, I will admit to jumping the gun and being wrong here.

                • Optional@lemmy.world
                  41·
                  6 个月前

                  Mr. Lischinsky specialized in Japanese studies and was an outstanding student, according to Professor Otmazgin. “He was an idealist,” he said. “He wanted to build bridges between Israel and other countries, especially in Asia.”

                  He grew up in a culturally mixed family with a Jewish father and a Christian mother, and was a practicing Christian, according to Ronen Shoval, the dean of the Argaman Institute for Advanced Studies in Jerusalem, where Mr. Lischinsky participated in a yearlong program in classical liberal conservative thought after earning a master’s degree in government and diplomacy.

                  “He was a devout Christian,” Dr. Shoval said, “but he had tied his fate to the people of Israel.”

                  In his application to join the program, which Dr. Shoval shared with The New York Times, Mr. Lischinsky described his upbringing in a multicultural family and “the inner struggles” he faced while growing up in a religious household within secular societies in Germany and Israel.

                  Hanan Lischinsky said his brother had been considering applying to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs’ cadet course to train to be a diplomat. People who worked with Mr. Lischinsky in the embassy said that there, he identified as Jewish. 

                  . . . Ms. Milgrim had lived abroad in several places, including in Costa Rica, where she spent time working on a master’s degree program, eventually earning master’s degrees in international affairs and in natural resources and sustainable development.

                  Like many young Jewish Americans, she and her brother, Jacob, 28, also participated in Birthright Israel, which offers free trips to Israel in an effort to bolster Jewish identity. In Israel, she worked for an organization that connected young Israelis and Palestinians, her father said.

                  . . . Mr. Milgrim said that his daughter and Mr. Lischinsky were both concerned about peace in the Middle East, the stability of Israel and the plight of Palestinians.

                  “She was doing what she loved, she was doing good,” her father said. Doing good, he added, is “what brought her life to an end.”

                  archive

              • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
                21·
                6 个月前

                The embassy exists to maintain international support and cooperation in all areas.

                Like I’m iffy on all this, I’m smelling some potential antisemitism with the location and everything. But the Israeli embassy to the United states is not bloodless. Their purpose is to maintain positive relations with their largest supplier of arms and armaments. That’s not the only reason they exist, it’s probably not the majority of their interactions. I’m sure they do plenty of good, but it’s one of the goals of their diplomacy. The Israeli embassy to Kenya is far less complicit.

          • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
            72·
            6 个月前

            So anyone working for a part of the state is responsible for the actions of that state?

            There’s nuance here. Janitors at an Israeli government building? Probably not. State department employees serving an overseas mission to represent and lobby for your genocide? Yeah.

              • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
                51·
                6 个月前

                By working there they were implicit in helping the mission there so yes. I wouldn’t have joined the German Embassy in 1941 even as a functionary unless I was a Nazi.

            • Optional@lemmy.world
              36·
              6 个月前

              To the earlier example of the undersecretary of education; they are enabling family separation at the border?

              Is it not that complicated?

  • Optional@lemmy.world
    112·
    6 个月前

    A woman who attended the event, Katie Kalisher, told CBS News that she encountered the alleged shooter right after hearing gunfire.

    “Then this man comes in … but he was covered in rain and just looking really distressed and scared,” Kalisher told “CBS Mornings.” “We were comforting him because we thought that he was just somebody out in the street looking for a safe place to stay because he heard some gunshots.”

    She said she talked to him to try to help him relax. “I asked him, ‘So, do you like the museum?’ And he’s kind of playing dumb with me,” she said about the interaction. “He goes, ‘Oh, what kind of museum is this?’ I told him, ‘It’s a Jewish museum.’ He asked, ‘Do you think that’s why they did this attack’ … referring to the rounds that we heard.”

    She said she told him she didn’t think so and asked if he was OK. Then, she said, “He reaches into his bag and pulls out a keffiyeh and says, ‘I did it. I did it for Gaza.’ And, just starts shouting, ‘Free Palestine.’”

  • Godric@lemmy.world
    1813·
    6 个月前

    ITT: People fine with innocents being murdered because of their ethnicity.

    Fucking hypocrites.

    • wpb@lemmy.world
      32·
      6 个月前

      The guy was killed because he was a German Christian? That’s crazy, I could’ve sworn the killing had something to do with him working for Israel or something, and because Israel is committing a genocide. But if you say he was killed because he was a German Christian, I’m not one to argue with that.

  • Machinist@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    6 个月前

    Well, fuck. This moron didn’t help the Palestinians one bit. Just reinforces propaganda about opposition to the genocide being antisemitic.