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      He really does think the EU is a country. I’m not sure my opinion of Americans will ever recover from them having voted in this absolute moron.

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        America was killed, by Americans, in a democratic election. And so many are still fondling the corpse, writhing with carrion bugs, and pretending it’s still alive.

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        Oh…

        I can guaran-fucking-tee you my opinion of so-called “Americans” will never recover…

        I’m more concerned if the country is ever able to recover.

        FUCK!! IT’S ONLY BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS!!

        Much worse is yet to be realized.

        And, yes, I’m a suitably embarrassed US’ian.

        🙄 🤦‍♀️

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        Twice. They did it twice.

        You can almost (but not quite) forgive the first time. You could -maybe- write it off as an experiment, or that they were giving the ‘real politicians’ a scare to get them back in line. However that’s a lot of ‘almost’ and ‘maybe’.

        But the second time, that’s fucking unforgivable.

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          I was going to say this. Trump thinks the EU already is what I wish it will become.

          Maybe his efforts will push us further into that direction though?

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          As a resident of a Continental Country that is not the US, we’ve pretty much always seen Europe as a single, monolithic thing. It’s hard for us to grasp how something like France, which is just slightly bigger than Minas Gerais, 4th largest state of Brazil, is a completely separate thing from the rest.

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          It’s an economic zone made up of smaller countries, and functionality structured in a completely different way the US is regarding the fed vs the states. That fact the US president is referring to a continent as a country is unbelievably embarrassing.

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      “Don’t make me hit you harder.”

      Abusive relationships are the only kind Trump knows how to have.

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        He’s a socially stunted bully (wait is that repeating myself?, not sure up to a certain age anyways) so yes, I think one of most satisfying wishes to make these days would be to give Trump self awareness and empathy.

        Quick edit, like in the 90s Bedazzled movie with Hurley and Fraser where he asks to be sensitive.

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      What the fuck do tariffs do other than make shit more expensive for US residents?

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        He thinks our economy is strong enough to stand on its own and that’s absolutely ridiculous.

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        America is the largest consumer state on planet earth. A huge amount of foreign economies rely heavily on export to the United States and tariffs can do a LOT of damage. Trump knows these tariffs are a huge bargaining chip, but it’s the type of chip you can only use to this degree once. And he’s cashing it in for… his own political clout. The natural response to this that we’re already seeing the beginning of, is countries restructuring their industry to be less reliant on the U.S. which will ultimately do far more damage to the U.S. than the U.S. can do to other countries. And once they’ve all done that, there won’t be a good reason to ramp that trade up again.

        As an American this is going to suck a lot for us, but right now everything Trump is doing sucks for us. The shame of it is that no matter how bad it gets, I can’t realistically be mad at Canada, Mexico, or all of Europe over it. What other option have they been given?

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        From the same supporters who will shoot themselves in the foot to own the libs, this is at a much larger level.

        Also, a classic facist move. Get everyone to turn on you, then propagate “the world is out to get us”, and once you instill that mentality on the people, it’s easier for people to believe we’re the victims, and we’re fighting for our liberation.

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      With friends like these…

      Like seriously, you can’t make this stuff up, folks! The schoolyard bully who beats you up after class and continues to insist that he’s your best friend! Not only that, he tells all the teachers that actually he’s the victim and you’re the bully!

      How many of you out there knew someone like that? Made you count down the days until you were outta there for good so you’d never have to see his face again! I wish we (Canadians) could get the hell out of this toxic high school we’ve suddenly found ourselves in…

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    I am reminded of Winston Churchill saying that Americans will do the right thing after they have exhausted all other options.

    I just didn’t quite realize how far “all other options“ could really go.

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    A) Canada isn’t a viable country because they depend on us

    B) Hey no stop you have to depend on us still…

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      Canada and the EU should definitely bait trump into escalating tariffs as quickly as possible, and reach agreements to increase trade between themselves.

      If trump continues to escalate and retaliate, Mexico and even China need to be included in the agreement.

      This will have huge consequences for America, effectively excluding it from worldwide trade, while diluting the impact for the remaining nations.

      America has a huge production capacity though, and that’s why escalation needs to happen quickly, not giving it time to ramp up subsidized domestic production.

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        The US could crack fusion and the world wouldn’t buy it from them at this point. They can ramp production, but everything they produce now is pretty must limited to domestic sales. If it does get exported, the world now has all kinds of reasons to negotiate the lowest fucking prices sustainable, if that.

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    You would be a fool to be close with America right now. The Nazi take over is in full swing.

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    And the thing i don’t think Americans have accepted yet… there’s no going back. They can vote the democrats back in next year. But we - their traditional allies will never be there for them again.

    America will forever be isolated as untrustworthy.

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      Even the MAGA crowd are aware of this, they just think it’s a good thing. The only thing americans can all agree on is that we have some serious housecleaning to do.

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        I don’t think that’s true. I think the MAGAs have lived in such a comfortable bubble of American privilege that they don’t understand the implications of all this. They’re used to making jokes about Canada, “basically being the U.S.,” and having free and easy travel on the border that they don’t think about the fact that it’s a sovereign nation with it’s own culture and interests. I think they see this as politicians arguing, not America becoming a hostile foreign power.

        Even the administration doesn’t seem to get this. They just had to cancel a, “cultural,” visit from the Second Lady to Greenland because both the government and public told them they were unwelcome. Apparently, they’re so steeped in American privilege (and probably used to people dismissing Trump ramblings as, “bluster,” or, “hot air,”) that it didn’t occur to them that you can’t just make a fun, friendly visit to a country the President threatened to invade.

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      If a proper revolution happens US will be taken back for sure. The problem is that Americans are way too comfortable for any major change and have been for a long time.

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        I’ve been seeing “comfortable” a lot, but I think honestly it’s less comfort and more confusion. I know it’s popular to portray us all as lazy, drinking our Big Gulp slushies and watching sportsball, but that’s not the whole picture.

        We all know it sucks, we might call our reps, our friends might go wave some signs…but ultimately we’re culturally unaccustomed to organization, and that part cripples meaningful resistance. As the commenter below me stated, “lack of civic culture” and “hyper individualism” nails it.

        Okay, we all want different things, we all struggle at wildly different randomized shifts because most of us are one missed paycheck away from disaster, how do we know who our friends are? No no, not the “Yeah man, that sucks lol idk.” friends, the ones who will actually fight with you?

        Consequently, we’re suffering a massive lonliness epidemic where a lot of people not only have very little civic ties, they don’t even have a network of reliable companionship! A lot of this is simply thanks to suburban dominance and nowhere left to meet that’s not charging admission.

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          I don’t think that’s particularly a take on americans being lazy but a general issue where developed world populations tend to be more obedient because of they’re stuck in the zone of comfortable compliance.

          China is by far the most extreme example of this. It’s a complete autocracy but also the economy is great and consumerism rampant.

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      They need a constitutional reform, limiting the power of the president to do shit like this unilaterally

      Along with abolishing the electoral college and gerrymandering

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        We’re supposed to have a new constitution every generation.

        “There is no greater tyranny than that of the dead over the living.”

        — Thomas Paine

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    … and it wasn’t our fault either. They literally betrayed us. We helped them with the forest fires and they stabbed us in the back. The fact that there aren’t widespread revolts and mass demonstrations and labour strikes going on in that country right now tells us a lot about the people there and their values.

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      While I can’t fault your feelings, a lot of us are unable to do much without going homeless/hungry. Too many of us are living paycheck to paycheck, as by design, to do anything without losing what little they already have.

      There are protests everywhere, the media is just downplaying/intentionally not reporting on them.

      But we are very, very sorry. Many of us have been actively fighting against this fascist bullshit for years, since 2016/17. People like myself have alienated family and friends who support this fascist regime.

      There’s always more someone like me can do, but the tradeoffs are getting worse and worse. It’s easier for me to just leave the country at this point and go to a country that aligns with my views and the way people should be treated.

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        It’s pretty wild that the median income before tax in the USA is less than the median income in Denmark after tax (based solely on income tax). Just to put things into perspective.

        With that said, it will only get worse for the American people if they don’t get rid of this administatrion, and everything that has made it possible for this administration to do as it does. You think it’s hard to make ends meet now? What about when you don’t have any tradepartners anymore? Or when all your worker rights are stripped away?

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      I don’t like this rhetoric. Mainly the last part where folks not demonstrating means we have bunk values. From my perspective we are an anti social bunch who generally suck at organizing. I don’t have an easy way to just join up in a mass protest and I barely know where to start. I am depressed and anxious. I am trying to do what I can. Want me to just not work?? Me and who??? How will I eat?? I’d love to demonstrate.

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        Being anti-social and not organizing are bunk values. America will never get better until we admit the ways in which it sucks.

        Unionize! Start by just talking to your coworkers about pay. You can make a difference, but it will take a long time to unfuck.

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    I want to see him hang up on Trump if/when he calls him “governor”, and then publish the phone call.

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      I wouldn’t mind some tit for tat. Carney could respond with Felon, Rapist, Laughingstock and they’d cut deep because they’re true.

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        I guess but a lot of us have been fighting against this rise of Nazis but we’re up against a multibillion dollar brainwashing machine and billion dollar facist think tanks. I don’t think a lot of us deserve this because we have been trying. I don’t see this ending without violence and unfortunately our side is losing so we better get our shit together.

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      Border states, snowbird states, and dual citizens are going through it. This is likely the worst diplomatic move in recent American history.

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    As well it should be. Even if we get our act together and elect another sane president, we’ve demonstrated that we’re happy to burn every single bridge we’ve spent so long building, and that it isn’t some one-off fuckup either

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      Northeast South Canada, checking in here! My people moved into this land just a few generations ago. The motherland calls…