American politicians tells Israel it can do anything, even kill Americans, and they’ll still support them. How many now have said they unconditionally support Israel?

I tried to engage in good faith & provide an explanation, hoping you’d do the same. Too bad that this is the road you chose.

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You’re proving my point & proving his point as well. Your ideology is exactly why groups like AfD have grown significantly. Most people will eventually oppose censorship, because at some point they too will question a government-mandated narrative. Then people like you will immediately try to label them into some group for your Gestapo to go after.

I don’t believe that AfD has good ideas, but they are one group that people will turn to once they realize how totalitarian people like yourself are. Bad ideas don’t flourish in a vacuum. If someone expresses a belief or thought you disagree with, then provide a strong argument against it. When you turn to using force against speech, rather than debate, then you have lost the argument.

Additionally, you are giving the appearance of legitimacy to ideas you find to be controversial in many instances. Just as Netanyahu, while claiming to represent all Jews, shows how much power he has over many politicians all over the world, and the media frequently acts as hasbara messengers.

Just stop it! You are what is causing those ideas to flourish.

Stop trying to be the thought police. Express the value & legitimacy of your ideas by showing others how they fruitfully impact your own life. If someone has beliefs you think are incorrect, then show then give them compassion, patience, and kindness. Good ideas spread through example, not force.

Yes… Democracy Now for example, but they’d probably be considered even more left for reporting the truth.

I wish all I needed to tell me what to trust is a simple graph. According to that, I should be relying a lot more on CNN & NYT. If a majority of Americans don’t know at this point that MSM media outlets & politicians on both sides are highly influenced by the Israeli lobby, then they might as well start sending their taxpayer dollars to Israel themself.

I never read that Israel represents all Jews, nor how opposing genocide is antisemitic. I’d strongly argue that a country committing genocide while claiming to represent all Jews are actually engaging in antisemitism, especially since those they are genociding are semitic people.

You’re leaving out the most pertinent details, their bruh:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

If you’re going to steal land & displace a million people, don’t be surprised when they revolt. The whole world sees Israel as the colonizing imperialists they’ve always been, and the colonizing monarchy that claimed back then Zionists could steal the land have ragrets.

LOL… this is a new argument I’ve been noticing more & more. It goes something like this… “Hamas made Israel commit a genocide.” If I was paying $7,000 per comment on social media, I’d be asking for a refund for such low effort Israeli propaganda.

No, the MSM media is dying & are just mad that they don’t have the authoritarian control.

It isn’t an entire side. You can’t just see people in black & white. Many of these people are like past versions of ourselves, the ones that need people to guide them. You can’t force everyone to see things from your point of view. A lot of times they just need good examples. If they aren’t arguing in good faith, then try a different strategy or call them out. Or change the discussion to how you feel they’re not being honest, and ask them why they feel the need to lie. Just be genuine but violence doesn’t solve things. It will hurt the causes you care about more than anything else right now.

The not arguing in good faith goes both ways, but people on the left & right can have good faith arguments while still disagreeing. Debates aren’t about making someone else agree with you at the end. It is about challenging each other’s ideas.

Not here on Lemmy apparently, or at least not in this community especially.

And you point is? You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself.

TYT didn’t coopt the entire progressive movement. They are a voice in the progressive movement, which anyone is capable of doing, including yourself. You claim Cenk is one of the biggest frauds on the entire internet but don’t provide any evidence to support that. Cenk has been consistent, honest & fair. He has shown strong moral character & that seems to make you mad.

The Hitler comparison actually proves my point - Hitler was a dictator who invaded countries and orchestrated genocide. Kirk was a campus activist who held debates. Who despite having ideas we opposed, still engaged in dialogue. If we can’t distinguish between those two things, if every political opponent becomes ‘literally Hitler,’ then we’ve lost the ability to have proportional responses to actual threats.

My concern isn’t about protecting Kirk’s memory - it’s about what celebrating political murder does to democratic discourse and how it hands ammunition to people who want to justify their own extremism. When the left cheers assassination, it makes every accusation about us being violent radicals seem credible.

I’m not a Republican nor do I support Trump. I just believe in putting out into the universe what you hope to get back. I believe in being the better person, and leading through example. If you hated Kirk & what he represents, even justifiably, then show everyone what a better person should be.

So then debate & oppose people’s ideas with better ideas, not violence.

You alone? Seriously, you actually make me optimistic that we could get some bipartisan support for mental health reform.

Gross dude, real gross. What goes around comes around, just remember that. This despicable stuff you’re saying, that you’re advocating for, will come back around to you. Just remember that. I can only hope you meet someone like me that just feels bad for how far you fell, rather than someone like yourself that has become the dehumanizing monster you’re acting like.