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  • I just emphasized what the original point was and how my argument was connected to it. You just chose to ignore that.

    It is completely beside the point how long it takes exactly to become a offshore scuba diver or a physician. (Where I live you need to have at least a three-year vocational education before you can start commercial diving training at all. I’d estimate it takes you about four to four and a half years all in all. Becoming a doctor takes six.) The point is that both are jobs that are difficult to get into and require specialist training. They are not “unskilled” labour, the kind ob jobs the original argument was about.


  • See, that’s the whole point. This was a discussion about people being able to live on seasonal, menial and easy to access jobs like unloading goods or waiting tables. They weren’t living very good of it, but it was possible without sleeping on the street.

    A doctor is a very bad example indeed, because most doctors have fixed jobs they can’t easily leave for longer time periods. No, it’s actually a very similar example to yours. Contract work in the medical industry has been becoming extremely common over the last decade or so. Hospitals need to pay premium to fill their short-term staff shortages and doctors and nurses get higher than average pay combined with a lot of flexibility. Work half a year and earn enough for the rest? Absolutely possible, if you’re willing to move on short notice.

    So both examples show jobs that are difficult to get into with years of certification and training. Both have nothing to do with the initial point of the discussion.



  • It’s entirely missing the point because offshore scuba diving is highly skilled specialized labour. It doesn’t matter whether it’s not very complex work when you get down to it. You need years to even get access to it and it has always been like this. The “bureaucratic red tape” has only been added so that the employers can acutually assess the skill of the people they hire. It’s a field where mistakes are very, very expensive.

    Maybe you’ll understand what’s wrong with your example when I present you an equally bad example: I know a guy who works two months and then spends three months scuba diving in Egypt. He’s a doctor.


  • It is a job with a lot of bureocratic red tape, but the work they actually do does not require years of study and deep understanding of a specific subject.

    Oil rig divers need training in industrial scuba diving and underwater welding. That are two specialized skills, both usually requiring some years of training. That’s not bureaucratic red tape, you simply can’t do the job if you don’t know how to weld underwater and are going to die if you have no industrial diving skills. This is part of the reason why they are well paid. It’s a very bad example for the discussion.