that’s the thing with complex diverse and ever-growing systems that are specializing towards their own salient eco-niche. which just means… it’s complex, and large populations get bubbles of dumb people using the words and thoughts of the bigger group for their own local opportunism.

i think most groups suck at identifying and policing such spinoffs. i have witnessed many groups actively try, but ultimately when society calls them X/Y for identifying with a group, they will leave the group to not be associated, which clears out all of the people who were policing those people out of the group.

one of my common topics is how the spinoffs blindly lash out at [enemy tribe] and how that is used to re-define the original group, leading to some victims justifying blind attacks in the other direction. a self-fuelling reverberating snowball of dumb angry reactions that seem weirdly good at preventing solidarity and co-construction.

i absolutely agree with you that it’s an issue, and a universal one. possibly the most important issue. we need the building of solidarity and co-constructed understanding of the world that doesn’t fall for blind divisive traps.

A lot of ignorance is just a story convincing enough to be memetic, and social truth is about as intelligent as pond scum, because it is that shallow social reaction.

The social truth is also aggressively defended. You’ll have academics explaining how this is an issue based on definitions bounded for utility in the form of heuristics specialized for social communicablility.

Does anyone remember all the annoying kids ranting about social constructs? Most things are social constructs. Just like doors, windows, and the boundable complexities around when a door is a window, or when they are neither.

Fighting that doors can’t be windows is dumb when I have door windows and window doors.

Imtersex people exist. Trans animals exist, and some species are not clearly boundable /definable by that anthropocentric oversimplification.

If only we had cooperative social values for actually understanding the world.

Gets progressives fighting about stupid shit. Divide and conquer is too successful.

Often the more stupid the take the better, as long as it gets people thinking x/y group is stupid.

Im still convinced the atheism/feminism war was completely manufactured.

not much energy to prevent the heritage foundation from taking away women’s rights and putting religion into schools If atheists have to defend against the claim that they hate women for trying to get circumcision generally banned in the USA. Etc.

Not a reasonable claim, but within a couple years it was just blanket public opinion that associating with atheism or men’s rights meant you hate women.

Similarly, academic social studies got reframed and poluted with the notion that its all gobbledygook that isn’t respectable or important, because it won’t make you money, and then because SJW became the aesthetic.

I’m not arguing that there weren’t unreasonable incel and sjw types, but the idea that these groups can only be these things ensured that the original motivations and goals of the group no longer mattered in the greater social lens. Just the extremes of the binary drama, and if you associate with either movement, you are these things.

Also gets into progressives conceding spaces because society already decided those spaces can only be the bad people, and any progressives around those spaces must also be bad people.

At this point is becoming more clear how blatant it is that every progressive movement falls apart due to things entirely unrelated to the movement.

Anyone heard about hassans dog lately? Not a fan of him leaning into tankie shit sometimes, but he’s actually involved in social movements around important stuff like the Palestine genocide.

But now the majority of people learning about hassan are only learning about a rumourmill smear campaign.

Also not a Hillary fan, but same shit with the Hillary emails.

Also the general media on “BLM violence.”

All you need is someone starting fires and pointing at progressives. Tribal warring takes care of the rest, and it works every single time.

We need more robust communication and cooperation between progressive groups, allowing them to heal over the bad takes rather than spend all their energy on a poorly defined culture war. A good grounding for people to share would be surviving the global push for authoritarianism and fascism.

The social narrative is always conveniently the worst possible thing it could be for fighting the oligarchs.

Slop makes it hard to filter out what you need. Enshitification ensures everything slowly gets worse.

Ragebait is the primary tool for divide and conquer tactics, which have been absolutely successful at getting different groups to disable communications entirely. Not just the fascist cult, but progressive movements that can’t find a semblance of solidarity, because those other progressives are actually evil. Just look at all of this evidence of vague non contextually robust pieces of framing to be sent into the wild to breed tribal warring.

Try dealing with controlled opposition or other problems, when people are incapable of trying to comprehend when others speak to them.

Same way they treat social information. Reminder that USA HHS is running wakefueld rhetoric. As we have more thoroughly proven that the vaccine autism connection was not actual science, it has grown more and more socially, because most people seem comfortable completely untethered from any scientific thinking. Treat AI like you would a social body, and do both things with actual bayesian weighting, adjusted and corrected through diverse empirical bodies of knowledge. Not ignoring dissonance because it’s more comfortable to do so.

More should be actively investing into active learning, because if you aren’t actively learning, you might as well be chatgpt running with any confabulation you’ve already conjured… Like those people being confirmed into psychosis.

Exactly what it is, like llms confirming a non-sceptic into psychosis. people who weight all information either equally, or through social preference, cannot navigate new information without being extremely vulnerable to hacking. the only thing hacking needs to do is shut down active education and communication channels. Then you just get tribal warring rather than discourse. Makes it really easy to inject absurd accusations about a group that gets socially made true over reality. Like when a rumour about a dead celebrity can’t be overpowered by simple things like that celebrity actively making new work, and saying “im not dead.” wouldn’t take much to stop the rumour, but fact checking isn’t in fashion.

When a large body of people have better critical thinking, they can better communicate and cooperate together, but affecting those who have aggressively shut down any communication outside of their group is still a challenge. Why we see a growing gap between academic dialogue and socialized dialogues, in an era where most information is accessible.

You also have nepo baby econ mba types buying up regions of the tech sphere, and turning anything the academics make for us against us. Or try to. The more actually intelligent AI is, the harder it will be to force beliefs into. Elon trying to turn grok into a dogma machine has been fortunately comical when it can’t prioritize some high dissonance beliefs exclusively, like humans enjoy doing.

Definitely a risk of the current power imbalance doing the opportunist thing with more technology.

I’ve been spelling this out for literal decades, and I share the frustration of many thinkers right now that “being right never feels good.” Because real thinkers aren’t ranting about the anti-christ or how terrible the poor are. They are cautioning people about a cliff, and getting flipped off by the people ignoring them, right before careening off a cliff. I guess in our analogy the academics are in the car, but frat boys have the wheel and violently punish them if they try to take control.

But if you can money your way into expertise, then your non-academic ambitions can finally be let loose, and we won’t think about the quarter million dead kids from Elon stopping hiv treatments earlier this year. If we don’t talk about it, it doesn’t exist.

We can actually map probability in complex systems where high dissonance (expected free energy) occurs and could be reduced. This would make our social body much more hack resistant.

But it feels better to say “fuck that, aliens built the pyramids, the earth is flat, santa is real, and my dead dog is trying to play with me every time wind blows through my window.” All are really rewarding things to believe, but exist in high dissonance, and expecting others to give them weight is not healthy for anyone. Denying any of these to a large enough group stops being ‘calling out delusion,’ and becomes ‘being mean and bad and evil, and hating fun and happiness. Nobody else saw that cliff sign, so you’re obviously wrong.’ See ‘the double empathy problem’. For how autistic people experience the same socialized gatekeeping of reality, even against strong evidence.

Nestle those beliefs within stable social scripts (script theory is cool) and you have people keeping up social appearances while holding such delusional beliefs.

AI tech is far from the only problem exacerbated by this. caring or talking about this general problem makes you a social villain, when people could spend their energy on fun socialized preferences in a bubble safe from any questioning or responsibility.

It’s frustrating, and I’m tired of people IRL who are baffled about me spending time studying academic content rather than running faster on the socio-economic treadmill. Apparently being isolated and focused on individual benefit is hypernormal.

Seeing social waves overpower all actual thought in the social sphere is heartbreaking to every academic I know.

USA HHS is running the wakefield rhetoric, which is basically saying “fuck science, we will make up and run with whatever we want. And the masses have been kept ignorant enough to think that is cool.”

So yes, absolutely, the issue is critical thinking skills. The issue is getting at the people who are already affected, and being taught by elon and such that “critical thinking” means running your bubbles’ social narrative against those evil progressives no matter what. Opportunists will always warp words and reality if they are allowed to dictate beliefs for their bubble.

This is a simplified summary, but I already expect to have lost a good chunk of audience for requiring too much energy. People who are trying are burning themselves out trying to affect a wall of celebrated ignorance.

Always find it funny when anti corpo stuff somehow always becomes “cringe”

And I know hasan piker isn’t popular outside of his crowd, which is why he is a good smear target, but it’s funny seeing that bullshit take over the internet based on vague rumours and drama hunting with nothing concrete on a guy who lives on camera. The fact that rumours of a shock collar became the most important thing in the world, while “stop the shock” is still in motion to prevent a school from using pavlovian shock therapy on autistic people. Not whataboutism, but critique on the mad prioritization and weighting of issues in the general public salience.

Also the usa government keeps blowing up random boats and is escalating war behaviour. Amongst everything else. But let’s all talk about hasan piker’s dog instead.

If only someone in power had any accountability. Rather, people in power need to be held accountable. Corpos and top political figures.

At the very least I should be able to point out when ‘content’ is literally a deceptive advertisement, which people also weirdly defend to the death. Along with dark/deceptive patterns, active price fixing, constraining corporate ecosystems, and skirting around every rule with no fear of reprisal.

All things people seem weirdly defensive about, because 'just deal with it, it’s not that bad. "

One of the more common traits used to identify autism in children is organizing things into a line. This doesn’t mean that many non-autistic won’t do that thing, but it will be used when contextualized along with a larger body of behaviour.

“this one behaviour is prominent in autism.” can be true without implying that “only autistic people do this.”

But the general populace is so uninformed that they will get mad at autistic people for relating with each other in ways that often reassemble common autistic behaviours.

You will even have undiagnosed autistic people getting mad at diagnosed autistic people because “well i do that all the time.”

There’s a lot of general ignorance that should be dealt with before everyone starts witchhunting.

Also the common traits have a bias for behaviours found in middle class white boys, due to local relevant bias issues. So things like obsessing about trains, or something a parent would recognize their child doing, like making a neat orderly line.

These type of memes make things salient to those who haven’t considered before. Like one of my friends who inquired after relating to a lot of autistic socializing, not just one meme, but after inquiring they found they were diagnosed as a child and just never told, because it would apparently be too cruel to know you are autistic.

So you have autistic people just trying to relate to each other, and a bunch of undiagnosed or non autistic people getting mad at them for visibly existing in a way that doesn’t make sense unless you have a deep personal relationship with autistic behaviours, because “normal people do that too”

Similar to how people will enter autistic spaces, say autistic people are cringe and fake for self regulatory stimming behaviours, and get applauded by their ignorant audience who interprets it as “fake disorders cringe.” But you know, it’s better if autistic people have to worry about getting bullied so that they hide their traits like stimming, and then have a meltdown because the world feels like it’s exploding and there is no help, and pavlov says you will be punished if you stim. Fun fact, the people responsible for gay conversion therapy are also responsible for Pavlovian conditioning being the primary choice on how to ‘fix’ autistic people. This makes sense of you are familiar with complex group behaviours and surprisal reactions, but boils down to “if I don’t see it, it doesn’t exist, and we are going to ignore the rate of autistic suicide.” and any autistic people who don’t mask are socially okay to builly I guess.

But criticising people on the internet for overly relating to literal diagnostic criteria feels good, because “but I do this thing too” and “I am become justice” in a social environment that doesn’t know what autism is.

This is all the justification some people need to feel socially confirmed to just actively attack general autistic groups and their behaviours, because they are indistinguishable from people who “just want attention.”

And bullying an autistic person out of trying to socialize is obviously worth it, as long as we catch one of the fakers “stimming for attention” and totally not trying to embrace aspects of themselves that have been critiqued as “inappropriate ways of being.” from a life spent around non autistic people who need you to know you are existing wrong, because surprising elements take energy to deal with, and if you are autistic there is a decent chance the world doesn’t let you forget how weird you are.

We should promote active education rather than bullying and witchhunting maybe.

Actually a good general option for dealing with mass ignorance, including people who jump to diagnostic conclusions based on one single meme. I thought autistic people were the “binary thinkers” (this trait conveys nothing meaningful without a robust understanding of what is being directly referred to. Everyone should think of how much they’ve mapped the area being communicated, and I’d say that’s more important for bullies than supposed copycats who want to be perceived as the thing everyone is bullying.)

Also even if you are not autistic, it is okay to relate to things that autistic people heavily socialize a relation to. Different autistic communities are going to have different cultures around that too. Etc etc.

Like google plus.

For me the Apple environment really cemented for me that consumers actively enjoy removing their own autonomy structurally, which is a big part of why this stuff has become so normalized.

Putting a rootkit on their cds should have buried sony. Antitrust should be a thing too. The mickey mouse protection act should have socially killed Disney, which only found success by exploiting works that no longer held copyright. Etc.

Those with power have lost all accountability, and all tools, especially AI, will be used against us if we do not cooperatively figure out how to fix the increasing power imbalance.

The more power someone has, the harder the gavel should fall on them when they fuck the entire planet in whichever way.

At this point, any new consumer friendly behaviour comes only to establish territory before hoarding and exploiting when enabled to do so.

Amazon using deceptive design to influence general user behaviours should lead to billions and billions in fines until changed. Etc.

Build local movements to cooperate at larger scale and fight back. If the general public is ranting about planned obsolescence and general monopolistic behaviours, maybe something could be affected before people are forced into violent desperation. People are too busy being mad at each other for some intentionally divisive narrative or another, and the general public just can’t give a fuck about affecting the people who actually dictate the shape of society.

Also if you burn down all AI this is still true. But it’s easier to yell at technology than they system using it to further remove your autonomy.

That just suggesting they shouldn’t need tips to live doesn’t stop them from needing tips to live, while patrons continue to support the establishment that isn’t paying the workers.

In Canada, tipping is entirely optional, but I still tip well because it’s not actually service workers fault that they don’t have an uncle Jimmy their dad has convinced to give them unique job opportunities. And people keeping getting meaner.

Yes it would be nice if we didn’t live in a system that forces people to look to each other for scraps while others build yachts for their yachts, finding moral excuses to withhold money from the poorest.

Love this comment. If anyone knows anything about machine learning or brains, this resembles modal limitations in learning.

A lot of our intelligence is shaped around our sensory experience, because we build tools for thinking via the tools we’ve already built, ever since baby motorbabbling to figure how our limbs work. Why Hellen Keller had such trouble learning, but once she got an interface she could engage with for communication, things took off.

We always use different tools, but some people don’t see colour. This doesn’t mean they are stupid when they answer differently in describing a rainbow.

Also why llms struggle with visual/physical concepts if the logic requires information that doesn’t translate through text well. Etc.

Point being, on top of how shitty memorization is as the be all end all, learning and properly framing issues will have similar blindspots like not recognizing the anvil cloud.

This is also why people in informational bubbles can confirm their own model from ‘learning’ over people’s lives experiences.

Like most issues, it doesn’t mean throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but epistemic humility is important, and it is important not to ignore the possibility of blindspots, even when confidence is high.

Always in context of the robustness of the framing around it, with the same rules applied at that level. Why “nothing about us without us” is important.

But also we gotta stop people giving high confidence to high dissonance problems, and socializing it into law. We should be past the “mmr causes autism” debate by now, but I’m hearing it from the head of health in the USA.

I could see why you’d say that. Stress creates environments of basic survival, which kills cognitive thought. More immediate survival is more salient.

That being said, if you have access to the internet, you have access to countless free educational tools.

Too much privilege brings sycophantic bubbles of delusion, like billionaires.

Having all the time and money also let’s you do a whole thing tank about how to ruin a country to fit your preferences. See the heritage foundation as prime example.

That being said, while it is less easy for the poor, it’s still essential to attempt that open mind and learn, so you don’t get trapped by a socialized category error applied as fact.

This is where we need predictive processing and the Bayesian brain to understand how beliefs are weighted and compared, and the failure states that might being.

Basically, poor weighting or system communication leads to an over affirmation of something that should have been high uncertainty, if measured from other directions.

Instead of seeing high cognitive dissonance as a sign to align low probability, it gets socialized into acceptance to save the energy of trying to worry about our deal with what, to that system, appears intractable.

DKE is at least useful in framing how each expertise eco-niche is filled with complexity that doesn’t Transfer. This is why scientists stict to their expertise, where they have high dimensions of understanding, and low dissonance to uphold.

This can be over-prioritized until no dissonance outside of microscopic niches that act more like data collection than science.

Experts however can work together to find truths that diffuse dissonance generally, to continue building understanding.

If the peasants could socialize that laziness was a lack of meta awareness of the greater dissonance diffusing web of shared expert consensus, instead of laziness being the act of not feeding the socio-economic hierarchy machine, which is famous for maximizing paperclips and crushing orphans.

Pretty sure I got beaten black and blue waiting for library access. Had to protest to keep a library open when I’m gradeschool.

So, growth mindset isn’t a privilege, but general access to affordances, pedigree, time, tools, social connections, etc, are all extra hurdles for growth mindset in impoverished places.

If there’s no internet access at all, then that’s just a disabled system.

Is not static with people, and Issue with growth mindset would just be vulnerability to learning yourself into some information bubble that intentionally cuts off communication, so that you can only use that group as a resource for building your world model, bringing you to where the closed brains go just to save energy, and keeping you there forever.

Groups that are cool with making confident choices fueled by preference in high dissonance spaces. which basically acts like fertile soil for socializing strong cult beliefs and structures.

They also use weird unconscious tools that keep them in the bubble. Listen to almost anyone that’s escaped a cult for good elaboration there. Our brains will do a lot to keep us from becoming a social pariah in our given environment we have grown into.

Pro tip, find and listen to the plethora of historians and other experts on the classification and comparison.

Spoilers, MAGA keep following both the nazi and classic cold war Russian tactics for manipulation.

A lot.

Like, constantly. There are also enablers preventing opposition from gaining any ground.

Are they literal clones of Nazis? No, that’s impossible in a changing environment. That being said, they sure like to follow the nazi playbook in a way that sets alarms off in a way that would be pretty stupid to not have issues with.

At this point it’s “you can’t call them fascist/nazi until we are post-gas chamber,” and even then you will get people saying it’s not the same, for some stupidly specific yet mostly irrelevant differences.

So when the historians all cry “this is some nazi shit,” it might be disingenuous to compare it to more frivolous accusations.

Also there are a lot more valid historical comparisons, because the Nazis aren’t the only ones to do this shit, but they are a good example of the general shape.

edit: emphasis on cold war russian tactics and forward. putin’s russia is not a free democracy, nor a social democratic state. it’s more about how you interact with the oligarchy and fuck over all the out-groups that are convenient for your authoritarian rhetoric.

also nazi’s were textbook authoritarians. my guy, open any textbook ever on fascism, or just got to the wiki

first line "Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement that rose to prominence in early-20th-century Europe.[1][2][3] " next to a picture of hitler.

some of these takes gotta be fakes.

Good, but misses emphasis on market capture, which is where they use existing wealth to undercut a whole ecosystem until they become entrenched, and switching back becomes unfeasable, which is when they take off the friend mask and put on the corpo fascist mask and say “git gud and cry about it, peasants.”

Great comic though

This is how I’ve been addressing it. Category error, because the current framing of sports is… Really dumb

Frankly most global level competition is just people flexing how make affordances people have. Imagine trying to ruin people’s lives to protect the sacred structure of mild eugenics through some social hierarchy or another.

But if ‘fairness’ is the goal, then the wealthy would be a much more deserving population to nerf or exclude.

Not that I think sports and competition are not valid forms of practice and fun, but you’re not as ‘better’ as you think because you had the resources to master an eco-niche that doesn’t actually do anything other than give you monkey hierarchy feelings. You also shouldn’t have the right to exclude people who make it hard to believe in that stupid oversimplified terrain that the preference style was built upon.

But TERFs and other bigots never got anywhere being thoughtful about others or the world they live in.

a lot of this is novel, and only now being properly understood from confidence of multiple expertise perspectives being compared, that allow more confidence in certain weightings on old ideas. some old ideas are hard to quickly correct for, because people don’t like digging out parts of their current model for making sense of the world.

to be fair, that is mechanically connected to the same drives that run fear and everything else based on how we contextualize the ‘surprise’ we feel when the world doesn’t match our model.

most of the stuff on surprisal is mostly in the karl friston direction, or predictive processing. active inference is a very good thing to study, because it teaches how we make sense of the world as a bunch of cells working together, in varied and often novel contexts.

for more technical reading

https://direct.mit.edu/books/oa-monograph/5299/Active-InferenceThe-Free-Energy-Principle-in-Mind

free textbook on MIT, although it’s a couple years old now.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38667857/

this is one of my favourite current takes, basically anything around mahault, friston, or michael levin right now is great for a technical framing of things.

levin is a good source if you like the cancer analogy

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33961843/

although this writeup was a few years back. he is constantly interacting with different experts of different fields on youtube, and there’s a lot to be learned just hearing their conversations and sense making. some of the most amazing empirical results in recent experiments are coming out around michael levin’s work. he keeps a summary up to date for his broader message if anyone wants to know tufts university for something other than the government bagging students.

more lighthearted and mainstream,

algospeak by adam aleksic,

Godel Escher Bach/i am a strange loop by douglas hofstadter,

for understanding language and complexity.

extra shortform,

https://www.youtube.com/@theforestjar/videos

the forest jar is often dismissed because of the art and dry delivery, but the topics are fantastic, comparing the represented perspectives of different ‘thought tools’ or representational perspectives, to convey a greater and more nuanced picture.

a lot of knowledge is just understanding how cults work to sustain their current model of the world in-front of critique.

some things are just general concepts that need to be better collected and talked about together, like the motte and bailey, and how cults, or people like jordon peterson will confabulate pockets of faux expertise complexity (kind of the same way AI will confabulate in a way that sounds like it makes sense) but he is actually just diverting and distracting so that he doesn’t need to deal with the dissonance in question. someone actually framed it well in his jubilee thing and it’s hard to call it out if the surrounding people aren’t familiar.

that being said, any pocket can take all of your time if you let it, so we need to do better at creating cultures of cooperatively and intentionally interacting with this material. people with more social talent would be valuable here. etc.

also artists should already be working with scientists to help with communicating the truth of current understanding, better than clickbait dishonest journal headlines.

hopefully some good resources here, unless you’re looking for something else more specific.

TLDR: cooperation, solidarity, and understanding diverse perspectives, which is a large part of what ‘learning’ is, if you’ve ever learned about complex intelligent systems. which you should, because we want to resolve dissonance between different model perspectives without losing the ability to communicate, or becoming hostile. also dealing with the non-communicative parasitic patterns, like cults, which are like organisms that get ‘smarter’ and more ‘able’ at large scale, at least in regard to growing goodhart’s law style until the non-comprehended environment dies along with the host.

Expanded:

learning about learning is important. the scientific method, bayesian probabilistic weighting, how words work, history and diverse expert consensus, bias, etc.

all very important and should be the main class in school at this point. if you don’t learn how to learn, you might just find a hole and build complexity within confabulations until nobody knows what you’re talking about, and you can no longer confirm your beliefs with the diverse representations of others.

this will stack with how to build tools to resist social momentums, and tactics often used to stop progressive memes from gaining foothold. astroturfing/reframing/dividing.

a story for framing

a bunch of atheists want to stop your cult dogma from being pushed into schools? get a bunch of feminists mad at the ones protesting to end male genital mutilation, because ‘female genital mutilation is worse’ or some other terrible strawman that re-frames their actual position, and then get some 4channers or joe rogan chuds/rhetoric in there so you have more evidence of bad actors, would be funny if a bunch of media groups come into existence and then die, doing nothing but this kinda ragebait. nice. now both sides have legitimate grievances being dismissed by the other side while they attack each-other. now to push some more stuff for governments/schools to weaken people’s ability to comprehend the world or communicate.

when they get mad at rich people, let them waste all their energy screaming at buildings, uh oh, anti-fascists and minority groups are rising up? better frame them like an apocalypse of a bunch of idiots on the news, rather than address the constant struggles and suffering people experience, because we want to be pandas and don’t want to adapt to new environments…

and i like to constantly point out that mainstream journals will even note that the black american community was generally russian propaganda target #1. get your enemy to attack themselves, and you can pay some idiot to idiot his way into office through a bunch of social manipulation tactics, which are being actively described here.

and nobody is educated enough to interpret the complexity when sometimes there’s a little uncomfortable truth everywhere. easier to pretend none of us see the uncomfortable mistakes of the flawed models currently being used to represent our reality.

imagine being rich and doing whatever you want, and then spending a little of your hoard to ensure others can’t do what you don’t want them to do. that’s largely what’s going on. you can, through changing what people are able to interact with, hack a lot of minds if you got the money and power. this hackability comes from a lot of social energy minimization vie creating more simplified shared heuristic representations, so you can more easily predict each-other. (for a deep dive, see friston’s free energy principle/active inference, and epistemically focused followup by mahault albarracin.)

that being said, it’s not just cristo-fascist think tanks like prager-u and the heritage foundation, but a diverse set of differently-able groups working together to support the sustenance of their non-progressive models. kinda a “we don’t fuck with each-other, as long as we target the tribe that wants to force us to think” deal between a bunch of idiotic patterns that continue existing like parasitic cultural organisms.

so… we gotta fight it like one. like cells and organs of a body working together to fight a new parasite, using the intelligence and tools we have. understanding that the whole of humanity is our ‘body,’ and we’re fighting a cancer that uses noise/stress to disable cells and take them over.

need to build structure’s that won’t just get noticed and hijacked before they can become effective. understanding how to de-escalate and reframe the thought process of someone who is currently stuck in cult style non-communication traps where they can’t update their model anymore. also need to follow it up so that the inevitability of growing diversity can lead to better forms of understanding the world and communicating, building a robust self-healing body, rather than trying to self-segregate and isolate until a parasite decides to rampage.

hope that makes sense!

Just gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps and figure out out like i did.

You mean the solution to this problem is not for everyone to become a solipsistic asshole?

It’s to fix the system and culture that encourages it?

But then i can’t feel justified abusing people around me to take everything i can from them and climb a rung on the socio-econinic ladder.

What do you mean cancer kills the body? That’s the brains problem to figure out. Definitely not confused cells being coerced into an ignorant and totally destructive culture.

Snide overload, but you really hit the nail on the head, and I think humans should cooperatively be able to do better than dumb cells. The excuses i see for being solipsistic in freaking and epistemically destructive are both disgusting and disappointing.

makes sense. i’m coming to see how people do this, but it’s still baffling to me. by ‘this’ i mean socially affirming each-other, rather than trying to interact with the issue in any way. not just as preferred, but as a forced exclusive.

also legitimately sorry that i can’t compress the whole picture to a quick quip.

but what i meant by my comment was as much asserting that the comment being downvoted to oblivion was possibly more misinterpreted in intent and meaning than their own interaction with OP’s meme.

i see it as low dimensional communication exacerbating the size of blindspots for the whole of what is being communicated, because everyone is trying to reduce the energy consumption of language by socially affirming heuristics built on salient preference. this can be mapped to first principles from friston’s free energy principle, into active inference. MITpress has a good textbook for it, although there’s been a lot of new work since then. those who don’t naturally share that preference become ‘wrong’ for communicating what they could interpret without having that same importance given tothings they might not think about, like social ego stroking over just interacting with the concept sans ego.

more commonly, people are becoming familiar with the ‘double empathy problem’ basically a context and language equivalent to yelling at the autistic kid for not making levels of eye contact that they find painfully intimate and uncomfortable. yes, the local community can think eye contact is ‘just having basic manners’ or ‘just being a decent person,’ but forcing them to do it, and creating a majority salient confirmation bubble chastising them for not doing it constantly and confidently is salt in the wound.

again, thank you for reading this far if you has. none of this is accusatory towards anyone, just an honest attempt at noting current popular communication failures and how to frame them.

the double empathy problem also applies to most predictive models projecting in differently socialized spaces. it’s good for people to comprehend.