https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier

He’s dead.

it makes sense to support whatever system would create the best life for everyone,

That’s your value and you can use OP’s formula to act accordingly. But you can’t force other people to adopt your values, that would be tyranny (and also kinda impossible). Not that I disagree with you but that’s not a counterargument, you’re just expressing how YOU would apply the formula OP presented.

Then you’re finding it worthwhile to support a system that allows for you to merely tolerate it

We had something like this in our philosophy class.

That’s not the question. The question is just if you find it to enable the kind of life you value. If your experience is that a system doesn’t do this, don’t support it. This isn’t that complicated lol

Makes sense for me to interpret what OP said in that way because I find logic and reading comprehension worthwhile for life.

The “makes sense” in the op means that from the perspective of the doer, it makes sense. OP is not saying that it’s “objectively beneficial to all humans”.

It’s a description of how people make choices.

OP didn’t say it was good or bad. Just that it makes sense for them because they thought it was what they like.

There’s a difference between saying “I think X, and Here’s Why: Proof” and “YOU SHOULD NEVER CONSUME X IT WILL KILL YOU”

Oh I do love a weird internet feel

That’s a lot of logical fallacy from someone who claims to have been teaching philosophy.

Moderating blatant misinformation or bomb-making instructions does not inevitably lead to censoring valid political dissent. There is also a significant functional difference between Abstract Ideas (Socrates’ questioning of virtue) and Instructional Violations (blueprints for violence).

Equating moderating a privately run online space to making someone drink hemlock by the way of a state execution is a hell of a reach.

You are basically claiming some forms of knowledge are too dangerous for people to know.

Nope. Never said that. I said “You might not be persecuted for having these “theoretical” discussions, which is fine…”.

I’m fine with civil discourse, even with some unsavory opinions. Not so fine with people spreading blatant misinformation and propaganda. There needs to be decent moderation for this, which as I understand, Odysee seems to fail at.

As @[email protected] is pointing out, commitment to (absolute) free speech tends to attract Nazis. And by Nazis I mean, actual, literal Nazis, not just people who don’t agree with me on soylent being a decent meal replacement.

Also, lets never forget that (absolute) free speech would also cover allowing “theoretical” discussion on how to manipulate, groom and kidnap children for certain purposes etc. How to “theoretically” build bombs. How to “theoretically” drug and kill people etc. You might not be persecuted for having these “theoretical” discussions, which is fine but I think it’s healthy for any online space to remove such topics.

Yeah whenever I see “crypto”, I get a slight internal sigh/groan.

Whoever wants to include themselves in the “we” with me.

Bummer. I keep wanting a YT alternative but Peertube isn’t quite there. Odysee at least looked polished but while I believe in civil discourse on any topic, complete lack of moderation isn’t great.

what if people disagree with you about the borders? Would you tell the people on the sentinel islands that they should just let everyone enter? Should everyone be forced to comply with your American hard left ideals? Because that’s the logical conclusion of saying “there SHOULD be no borders”.

This thread is going to be great for learning to spot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

We do like them phalluses, and thicc, load bearing loins.

Reminder: Activism gets results. Doomscrolling keeps you right where the powers that be want you, passive, depressed, compliant, exhausted.

Before you try to educate someone else, I suggest you educate yourself first (because this is a really hairy terrain to navigate).

https://youarenotsosmart.com/2022/06/27/yanss-236-how-minds-change/

https://www.streetepistemology.com/

https://www.cnvc.org/