Ich hatte den Eindruck, dass Steinmeier als er meinte dass man die Sprache der Rechtsextremen nicht übernehmen soll, vermutlich auch Politiker gemeint hat. Diplomatisch bzw. vage bleiben muss er so oder so. Aber vielleicht betrachte ich das auch zu wohlwollend.
If someone is literally starving and there’s only meat available, it can be argued that it would be vegan to eat it in that situation.
The definition from the vegan society is:
Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.
Is climate change cruel to animals? It’s not intentional harm, but it causes suffering. People will weigh that differently based on the ethical framework (deontology - utilitarianism spectrum).
Going on vacation by plane arguably isn’t vegan from a utilitarian perspective. Deontologists might still see it as vegan.
If someone needs to drive a car and can’t afford an EV, it’s not practical to avoid fossil fuels in this case. So that would be vegan either way.
I think the “avoiding as far as possible and practicable” principle also makes a lot of sense for the use of fossil fuels by environmentalists.
Who said capitalism isn’t a problem? I don’t see any comments claiming that.
Capitalism incentives the exploitation of humans and animals alike. It’s possible to recognize that both are a problem.
Its much weirder when leftists unironically believe that “animals are just animals, making them suffer is fine because they are inferior to me”, which is literally the supremacist thinking that racists and classists invoke to justify their mistreatment of other groups too.
I feel like lemmy.world is a bit shielded from tankies in general. I see some posts from lemmy.ml from time to time but rarely insane tankie posts. Engaging with political posts from there might not be the best idea indeed, maybe there should be warnings for those who are not aware lol
Welcome!
There are good Lemmy apps if you don’t have one yet. You can search “for Lemmy” to see most of them (in the Android play store at least). I like Voyager for Lemmy.
but like cmon, can we have SOME days where we can escape and just enjoy the internet guys?
You might want to block some keywords then, as there’s also a lot of American politics on Lemmy. You can filter most of it that way.
Since the industrial revolution, fossil fuels were the only affordable energy sources that could meet the demand of industrialized countries. Until 5-10 years ago.
We’re now in a situation where most people can still pretend that climate change isn’t serious, and the fossil fuel lobby is stronger than ever. And yet over 90% of new electricity generation is already renewable, because it has simply become cheaper than coal and gas power in the last years.
As climate impacts worsen, the pressure to decarbonize will only get larger. The lobbies have been fighting tooth and nail against the energy transition for over 40 years, but they are rapidly loosing ground now in most countries.
It’s right to be alarmed about climate change, there will be serious long-term impacts, but it seems irrational to be completely fatalistic. Just comparing the battery prices and solar panel prices and ev market with 10 years ago reveals a truly massive shift. And this is just the beginning of the energy transition.
20 years ago you could have said “Well, solar panels might be great for sustainability in theory, but the fossil fuel industry is so overwhelmingly powerful and solar panels so bad and expensive, it’s absolutely futile.”
Now, over 90% of added power plants are renewable, because there was at least some pressure to implement alternatives, and now they have matured enough to become economically viable on their own.
I think there are certain parallels to factory farming and plant-based alternatives + cultivated meat. We know that factory farming is very unsustainable, especially in terms of climate impact, resource use and zoonotic diseases (like bird flu and swine flu). These issues become ever more pressing as factory farming continues. We just won’t have a choice at some point but to switch to alternatives that are more sustainable, or everything goes to shit.
Creating demand for the alternatives funds their R&D and furthers their availability, which in turn leads to better products for lower prices, which makes further adoption much easier. Advancing the alternatives might have a much bigger impact than the mere reduction in meat consumption.
The more early adopters, the faster new technologies can advance. That’s true for every sustainable industry like solar energy, wind energy, battery storage, electric cars, and also meat alternatives.
If something doesn’t has a central nervous system and is therefore not sentient, it doesn’t make sense to attribute intrinsic ethical value to it. So I guess yes?
Do you really think that turning the machines off when someone is unquestionably brain-dead is murder?
These are truly bizarre things to take issue with.
But I think we both know that it’s unlikely that you’re deeply concerned about the ethical treatment of grass and corpses…
We know that our consciousness and capacity to suffer rely on our brains. Animals have brains with very similar structure, they avoid pain, they have long lasting and complex memories, there are clear signs of emotions (see: dogs), they have personalities, they play, some have emotional attachments to other animals or even humans, some animals show clear signs that they mourn the dead.
Plants don’t have brains, and we haven’t found any structures that are comparable. We haven’t observed any “behavior” that comes close to the capabilities that brains enable either.
There’s an enormous difference in the body of evidence. If this distinction is arbitrary to you, you might as well see a stone as your best friend, because they are surely just as conscious as we are.
This line of reasoning is very flawed. Lions regularly commit infanticide and dolphins rape, therefore these must be ethical things to do? It’s a classical appeal to nature fallacy.
“Yes I killed those people my honor, but tigers kill people too, and even my fellow humans kill other humans all the time, so it’s perfectly ethical if I do it too. It’s just my way to connect with nature!”
Would it be ethical in your view to cut the throat of a dog from time to time and eat the body parts, even if alternatives are readily available? The tiger has no other choice, and no moral capacity, but we do.
I don’t think that serious violence against animals without necessity to do so can be justified, and taking a life is one of the worst things you can do to a sentient being that doesn’t want to die.
Brb, gonna buy some organs from the black market. Sure, I know that it’ll fund further illegal organ harvesting, but I’m not responsible for what my money enables them to do, so no problem.
Most people don’t want Nazis in power again, even ~half of the AfD voters don’t, although some have certainly been radicalized. The AfD is just very successful on social media, because they exploit the dissatisfaction of voters, they are controversial, they don’t present as and are often not perceived as Nazis, and because conservatives helps them with the fear mongering against immigrants. The Cristian democrats try to get the AfD voters back by copying their talking points, not realizing that they make them seem more credible in the process.
Most social media platforms are also happy to promote right wing populists and extremists because they are good for business, and some are owned by extremists in right wing bubbles too, of course. The EU regulations need to be actually enforced, but the US will do anything they can to stop this.
Other parties desperately need better social media strategies. For the last few years, the AfD was basically unopposed in many feeds and the polls are the result of that. Gladly the left party has catched up quite a bit in recent months, but the AfD still has the lead online and other parties struggle to adapt.
And why are plants exempt from being asked for forgiveness? It has been shown plants show stress and resonate with their surroundings. A life is a life.
Do you truly believe that harvesting some potatoes or mowing a lawn is on a similar level to cutting the throat of dogs, pigs, or cows? Like, for real?
Then there’s the elefant in the room that animals literally have to eat tons and tons of animal feed each before being slaughtered, so eating meat is the worst choice of food in terms of both animal suffering and plant suffering, which means industrial animal farming is even more fucked up than it already is.
So the implication of this argument can’t be the consideration of suffering, the only interpretation that is somewhat coherent is “you can’t be perfect, so causing as much violence towards animals as you want is fine.” which would be an exceedingly cynical and cruel position to take.
They probably live in a city with good and reliable public transport. Cancellations and longer delays have to be rare (and alternative routes available), otherwise it’s very frustrating for sure.
most people over the age of 50 will not accept you, if you are different to their perceived norm
Yes, people take over the norms they learned from their social environment when they were young and most stop adapting them to social progress that happened when they are older.
Since the GDR heavily imposed the traditional family to push birth rates (e.g. you basically had to get married to get a flat), even homosexuality is a strange and foreign concept to many people who grew up in this environment of enforced cultural conformism.
It will be interesting to see how this changes when newer generations get old, since society is much more pluralist nowadays.
That gets difficult when billion dollar industries are involved, especially multiple. Some politicians will oppose the corruption, but the corporations will just fund the campaign of other politicians that are willing to act in their interest.
Transparency and a vigilant civil society with consequences for scandals can mitigate that somewhat, to varying degrees. But ultimately there’s corruption in every government at every level of governance. Capital interests always find a way, unfortunately.
I have family members that are meat eaters, but they are often surprised how good some alternatives are nowadays when I give them new stuff to try. It’s true that some aren’t good, though. It really depends on the product. Most people haven’t tried the good ones in my experience, or don’t have them available in their region yet.
The official statistics here in Germany are that plant-based sales increased by about 15% year-on-year, and more than doubled over the last 5 years alone. It’s certainly catching on here.
Most vegetarians and vegans will be happy about positive changes. They aren’t the loudest ones, however. Similar to feminism, the most radical opinions get much more attention relative to reasonable ones. Especially by those opposed to it.
When I was a meat eater I also saw it as an all-or-nothing choice though, as if I need to fully commit all at once, which was daunting to me. Then I tried to be vegetarian for a week which was surprisingly easy. Then I had a foot in the door, decided to continue, and replaced eggs and milk as well in the following weeks.
Some people might have an easier time replacing single foods, like buying plant-based patties instead of meat ones, or just trying out a few plant-based alternatives, and that’s great too.
Der Titel ist etwas ungüstig. Das ist ein Bericht darüber mit welcher Strategie die AfD Arbeiter überzeugt und wie deren Wähler mit Gewerkschaften interagieren. Sehr hörenswert finde ich.