Teachers will be forced to tell parents that their child is questioning their gender even if the young person objects under new guidance for schools in England, the equalities minister has indicated.
I love how people who aren’t part of the community think they know what’s best for the community. Fucking assholes, outing kids into what could be a potentially dangerous situation, depending on the parents views.
I’d love to out their deepest, most well kept secrets, see how they feel.
It’s disgusting how all these ‘protections’ they put in place will do more harm than good. You can tell it’s coming from an anti trans standpoint as they’re trying to scare people into staying hidden.
Fuck the government.
Don’t blame the government. Name the people making these decisions.
I blame them all. The idiots proposing this shit and the government agreeing it’s a good idea. They’re all morons.
My point is that “the government” isn’t some black-box machine. The government is people. You can blame “the government” all you want, but it’s the people pulling the levers who deserve the blame. They should be named.
Did I disagree? No. I’m saying I blame them all. Learn to read.
The government is not the people.
They are meant to be public servants serving the tax payers.
Government employees shouldn’t be keeping secrets from the people they are meant to serve.
So you think a teacher serves only the parents and not the child?
They’re serving both by educating. They aren’t serving by keeping secrets from parents.
The government forces us to send our kids to government run education centers at the threat of taking them from us. The least they can do is tell us what’s going on those 6-8 hours a day we are forced to give them our kids.
No, I think things like this that can cause a potential dangerous situation shouldn’t be told. Coming out about anything, sexually, gender identity etc is a personal choice. Taking that from someone is a form of control.
If a teacher tries any of this shit when my kiddo is in school, I’m gonna lose it with them. It’s up to my child if and when they feel comfortable telling me those things, if they ever realise they aren’t straight or aren’t the gender they were born as. It’s their right to choose to tell me this. Not someone else. Just because they’re children, doesn’t mean we have rights to know everything. Their privacy is important too. Children are people, not possessions. They deserve respect. We don’t demand someone’s boss tells their family if they find out this stuff. We don’t demand higher education teachers of over 18s to do this either. Just because their minors does not mean were entitled to know their private thoughts and feelings. Unless a child has admitted to thoughts of suicide/ harming themselves or others, I don’t believe we should be told.
If they think a child has behavioural issues that need looking into, fine. That’s good information. But outing someone, no matter their age is wrong and potentially dangerous. Luckily there’s parents out there who will be accepting if they get information like this. But unfortunately there’s parents who won’t be, and depending on what those parents are like, it could result in some seriously bad situations arising.
I know my own parent was less then impressed when she found out Im pansexual. And they tried the whole ‘but kids’ and ‘its just a phase thing.’ which isn’t as bad as some people/ children would get. But being invalidated doesn’t feel good, especially on something that isn’t an opinion, but a fact. Being told you’re wrong for your sexuality or gender identity can do a lot of damage to people.
This is stupid. It shouldn’t be a thing. I’m sick of the ‘but the children’ bullshit the government keep pushing as a cover for wanting more control. No end to end encryption, because we want to protect the children. Our children, because we want to protect the children. Access to your private messages, the children.
It’s all bullshit they use to get people on board because children are an easy pawn to use. The government’s of the world need to stop using children in pawns of their stupid games and just be honest. But how likely are people to listen if they say ‘we want more control’ over ‘we are trying to protect the children!’I’ll say it again. Fuck the government.
If a teacher tries any of this shit when my kiddo is in school, I’m gonna lose it with them. It’s up to my child if and when they feel comfortable telling me those things, if they ever realise they aren’t straight or aren’t the gender they were born as. It’s their right to choose to tell me this. Not someone else. Just because they’re children, doesn’t mean we have rights to know everything
If the kid is socially transitioning at school, I think that falls under behavior parents should know. Same if the kids are being shitheads in class or getting beat up at recess.
Weren’t you just talking about how you believe in small government and oppose authoritarianism in another post and yet here you are demanding that the government force educators to invade children’s privacy by spying on them and relaying their findings to parents?
demanding that the government force educators to invade children’s privacy by spying on them
Where did I say this? Please provide a quote of mine.
If the a doesn’t want to tell his parents for whatever reason yet, it should stay this way.
Honestly sounds like something straight out of Florida or parody news websites lol.Ahh, more reasons for people to leave teaching.
Honestly, I think the only teachers I know that are still teachers today is because they’re under the thumb of this system - specialised training that isn’t much use elsewhere, so they have to stay and continue to work in increasingly impoverished conditions.
Any teachers reading this - I’m sorry for what you have to go through, and even as a childless individual, I am greatful for the sacrifices you’re making to ensure the future of our society.
You act like zero teachers agree with this shit…
That’s the point, run out anyone that’s not on the same “team”
Can someone explain how/why the Brits appear to be turning into Texans?
We’ve imported the culture wars from the US.
There’s a range of anti trans lobbyists in the UK that are US funded, and our government is hoping that if you scare people about migrants and trans people for long enough, we’ll forget that it’s actually the Tory party that is destroying the country and vote them back in.
We have a very right wing cabinet, mainly due to everybody else getting kicked out/ resigning. They are very likely to get kicked out themselves next year, but due to the fixed term parliament law they are basically untouchable until then, so they are getting as much shit done as they can before they get replaced.
The smear shit on the walls before you get evicted approach to governing. You’ve been taking lessons from the US haven’t you.
texan conservatives taken steps to force the laws and institutions to mitigate backlash against conservative beliefs, so they’re less afraid to inflict their beliefs onto the generate population and conservatives around the world are taking note and applying it for themselves; this is one of those steps.
it works incredibly well here in texas and i’m so happy to be leaving it.
Contact information for the person responsible
God damn… I looked this person up, expecting some asshole white guy,… and it’s a black woman. Hate and bigotry really transcends race and gender.
French teachers when girls forget the e at the end of adjectives.
Why would they not tell their parents? Genuine question from someone out of the loop. If my kid was questioning I would prefer I know, right? The school has the kid for the majority of their time awake during the school year. This makes sense to me.
Because bigots have literally tortured their kids over being queer forever. Kids who don’t feel safe coming out at home usually have a good reason from fear of abuse to becoming homeless.
Because there are deeply bigoted parents that would hit their child if they found out. Maybe try to see it from their viewpoint?
That’s why I commented a question asking for rationale behind a different viewpoint. Thanks stranger, that makes sense.
I’ve been arguing exactly this with someone else somewhere in this thread. There are children who would be abused/kicked out of their home over this sort of thing.
I’d happy waiting until my child is ready to tell me to learn of certain aspects about them if it means protecting another from harm of this sort.
The problem I feel is the very parents demanding to know this information are the exact parents you wouldn’t want knowing this information for their child’s sake.
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Kids being unable to trust teachers here reminds me of being unable to trust teachers to stop anti-gay bullying due to Section 28.
You guys will be banning books like Florida next if you don’t nip this fascist bullshit in the bud right now.
The unfortunate truth is that the majority of the people who voted really did vote for this sort of government. For the past 1.5 decades.
The current opposition is like the Biden alternative. I don’t have many hopes for them but we are at a stage where almost anything is better than this. The current government has been a clown show.
Imagine being a kid under constant surveillance. Boomers really are all helicopter parents if they vote shit like this through. That will fuck up their kids and grandkids big time.
Bloomers are currently aged 57-75. It’s Gen X (46-56yrs old) and Millenials (25-40yrs old) that currently have most of the kids in school. Agree with the rest of your comment though.
As a millennial with a child, I’m so glad my parents didn’t have half the shit available to them that my generation has. Even in a lot of daycares the parents can watch the CCTV live of their child. Literally just sit there at work and watch their child.
And that’s before you get into tracking when kids get phones.
Boomers are born 1945-65ish. Usually they do not have kids in school anynore. This is the younger generation. X or millennials
Would teachers be able to protest this law by telling all the parents their kid is questioning their gender all the time?
I gave up teaching two years after moving to the UK, it’s an absolute mess.
I can only imagine needing to fill out the “inform the parent” form and then immediately needing to fill out a safeguarding form (something you fill out any time you note anything like bruises, comments, out of sort actions, etc.). It’s absolutely tragic.
Exactly. Puts you in a position where not only are you legally required to potentially put a child in direct line of fire by ousting them, you then can’t then do jack about it until the situation turns visibly abusive.
I’ve been arguing it out with someone that safeguarding absolutely includes (or should’ve included) the right of teachers (or more so the school) to not disclose information that could potentially lead to abuse.
Teachers are usually the first non-parental authority figures kids will go to with these types of questions, and now they’re being cut off from that safe space.
Strict surveillance doesn’t raise more honest people, it raises better liars.
I was questioning the gender of my teachers all the time but they did not go whining to my parents about it. Ill give them that.
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Can we just focus on education? I don’t mind being against exclusion, discrimination or anything that would prevent someone from living their most fulfilling life… but these institutions are being unnecessarily focused on things that are maybe best left out of instruction.
That’s completely besides the point. Teachers are responsible for a child’s wellbeing when they are looking after them, and as part of that tbr child might bring that up to their teacher and the child should be able to trust in that teacher to keep it from parents who might react negatively to that news, much like you would a doctor.
This law doesn’t change the education the child receives it only serves to put trans kids at risk of abuse from their parents.
So you agree schools should focus on educating students rather than ratting them out to parents they don’t trust?
Its not possible to leave it out of instruction. The purpose of education (as it currently exists, and as they claim it to be) is to prepare children to function as adults in society. Some kids have racist parents, some kids have homophobic parents, some kids have misogynistic parents, some children are abused at home or are taught hatred and bigotry. The state has an obligation to advocate for the rights of children, because children are vulnerable and are not capable of removing themselves from an abusive home. Its the entire reason protective services exists in theory. Children are not possessions, you cannot just do whatever you want to your child, your child has the same fundamental human rights as any other human being. And like any other vulnerable human being, society has to ensure that the rights of children are being respected.
Children who are outted to their parents can face homelessness, abuse, psychological torture in conversion camps, ostracization from their friends and communities, isolation, manipulation, and bullying. It can end lives. Children can and do die because they are outted to their transphobic parents. As I said, society had a responsibility to ensure that the rights of children are being respected. The right to safety and security is one such right that is compromised by forcibly outting children to their parents. Educators should ALWAYS have to listen to the child and take no action without the permission of that child. Because children are people, and people are supposed to have rights. Children are not possessions of their parents, they are human beings who have fundamental rights the same as any other human being. The state should not be considering parents at all in this equation. The only person who needs to consider whether or not parents should know would be the children in question.
Children should also be taught about the existence of gay and trans people as part of regular education. The state has an obligation to provide proper education to everyone. Proper education should take steps to mitigate bigotry. Anti racism should be taught in schools, feminism and women’s rights should be taught in schools. It is much the same with gay and trans rights.
Sounds like disingenuous braying to me.
Part of education, especially childhood education, has to be teaching children about the world they live in and how to navigate it. Which does mean that they need to be taught about tolerance and the differences between people. That’s necessary for understanding and navigating the world they’re entering. And teachers are there to guide them on that journey and keep them safe. To be an adult to whom they can ask questions without fear of reprisal. To be someone primarily interested in their success and not some other political goal.
Conservatives are the ones stepping into this process and interfering. Forbidding teachers to teach about the world. And forcing teachers to violate the confidence needed to keep children safe. Conservatives are the ones trying to replace education with a tool for indoctrination.
The only interpretation of a rule like the one in this article is that there is a belief that a child questioning their gender is equivalent to a child admitting to some kind of self-harm. It’s pure bigotry and cruelty from people who know nothing and resist learning anything about the science and psychology of the subject. It is part of a genocidal agenda of demonizing and denying part of human identity. It is unacceptable. And worse, it’s a violation of the fundamental relationship between the teacher and the student. It’s interfering with and taking focus from education.
Be an ally of the human race or shut the fuck up.
