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          • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafeEnglish
            6·
            2 years ago

            I’ve never really bought the “DnD breaks down after level 12” argument for a game that already hard nerfed and didn’t use quite a lot of spells, but my first DnD experience was Neverwinter Nights and they solved it mostly by making all spells direct and simple combat spells.

            • Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              8·
              2 years ago

              It should be noted that this should not work. In every version of the game I am aware of, the spell description for wish explicitly calls out wishing an enemy dead as something the spell should not be able to accomplish. The typical monkey’s paw that is described as happening when you attempt to wish a person dead is that you are propelled forward in time until after they die, effectively removing you from their lifespan. This is part of the 5e description of wish as well.

              For example, wishing that a villain were dead might propel you forward in time to a period when that villain is no longer alive, effectively removing you from the game.

              Vlaakith is an ancient and powerful enough lich that it is entirely reasonable she has the means to kill a low level adventurer like the protagonist of BG3, even from her safe stronghold on another plane of existence, however, the particular method they chose to have her do it in is explicitly called out as something that is impossible, and shouldn’t have been used, if only because it sets a bad example for people who have never played D&D and BG3 is their first experience with it.

              • doctorcrimson@lemmy.todayEnglish
                6·
                2 years ago

                Rulewise that makes sense, but Lorewise it’s a total crock of shit. Wish is ancient ancient magic built upon the culmination of multiple hyper-advanced magic civilizations such as Netheril and Eaerlann who wielded The Weave and The Art like it was origami, if you assume that it’s skill surpasses their level of capability since it chronologically came 100 years after the fall of Netheril who failed to ascend to godhood, then not even ascending to godhood is out of the question. It alters past, present, and future. It is creationism itself.

                • Derpgon@programming.devEnglish
                  5·
                  2 years ago

                  Was always strange that you can wish for anything besides someone’s death. Can you with for their heart to stop? Explode? Turn to lava? It is considered death? Or is death in Wish-sense considered “true death” - with no way to revivify/true revivify?

                  • Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                    2·
                    2 years ago

                    It’s not really anything other than someone’s death. It’s more ‘these wishes are safe and will work out how you want’. Anything beyond those, the DM is encouraged to respond appropriately. In 5th edition, there is actually very little that is listed as safe to wish for. In 3.5 the list was short but highly useful. In 2nd though, there were NO explicitly safe wishes. Anything could backfire.

                    If you wish for a reasonable outcome that’s not on the safe list, you should get it without too much trouble, but if you wish something that’s grossly unfair, then you get what’s coming to you when it backfires.

                • Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  0·
                  2 years ago

                  Wish is a 9th level spell. Archwizards with 10th and 11th level spells (we’ll leave out the one overachiever who cast a 12th level spell) find it quaint.

                  Lorewise, wish is only more powerful than meteor swarm, or Mordenkainen’s disjunction, or prismatic sphere, or other 9th level spells because it has a high cost - if we go back before 3rd edition, that cost was aging 5 years. In 3rd and 3.5 it was experience points. In 5th, it’s a smattering of minor problems and a 33% chance of losing the ability to cast the spell again. But essentially the concept is always that it takes something of your life or soul or physical fortutide to allow the spell to exceed ordinary 9th level spells.

                  This means it is ultimately a powerful but limited spell, both in the rules and in lore.

              • Cypher@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                2 years ago

                I wish for a very large explosion to occur where that annoying idiot is standing

            • DudeDudenson@lemmings.worldEnglish
              4·
              2 years ago

              I’d love to play D&D but I don’t have any friends sadly so I have to stick to BG3 lol

              The time I flipped off vlakith I think I just got a game over screen without much explanation so I just chalked it up to some half assed divine power thing. Now it makes more sense

        • stringere@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2·
          2 years ago

          “How do you know she is a lich?”

          “Well she turned me into a newt!”

          “A newt?”

          “I got better”

    • DudeDudenson@lemmings.worldEnglish
      9·
      2 years ago

      It’s still weird that she can cause insta fail if you flip her off but if you don’t she just sends goons to kill you? Why wouldn’t she just instakill you right out of the gate?

        • Khrux@ttrpg.networkEnglish
          6·
          2 years ago

          I haven’t played BG3 but I’ve played 5e to death.

          She presumably has a single 9th level spell slot, as that’s the most almost any creature can get. Wish is 9th level. Wish can replicate any lower level spell regardless of if the caster knows it or could cast it, or you can say fuck it and do basically anything, with a 1/3 chance of losing it to cast forever.

          There are a few ways to just annihilate an adventuring party of lower level, such as casting fireball 9th level, but it sounds like she thought she’d risk the hail Mary and actually wished the party to die without a spell.

          It seems that alternatively our end up in the astral plane and she uses wish to cast something like scrying which she didn’t have prepared, meaning she couldn’t then use the spell slot to wish the party to death.

    • FenrirIII@lemmy.worldEnglish
      23·
      2 years ago

      There’s the illusion of choice for a brief moment before you’re railroaded. I quit after she killed my party.

      • Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.eeEnglish
        111·
        2 years ago

        Well, there was a choice not to go into that chamber, you decided against it. Once you are there and she shows up, you can decide to suicide or do what she says and live. That’s not railroading that’s the expected outcome at lvl 8-9 against a almost-god.

            • FenrirIII@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              2 years ago

              I want to like it, but I hate save-scumming being almost required. I am a casual gamer, having to prep for every other battle or having to follow a specific sequence or needing a particular spell or pick up some random book that is actually important later just burns me. It’s frustrating to miss out on content because you aren’t following a guide religiously.