• megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Why would having it be in a vest be useful, so it’s concealed until you’re really close? Like, it’s a fucking nuke, it’s not like you need to get in particularly close for it to have the intended effect.

    Like, he’s just mashing the image of a suicide bomber in with the fear of nukes to strike as many “panic! danger! scary!” notes as possible.

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    Normally I get angry at these pathological liars but this lie is so absurdly stupid that it’s actually funny.

    Imagine someone driving their van to a parking lot near the white house and then going “Welp, better strap on my suicide nuke that will obliterate the entire city. I see no other way of doing this.”

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      I mean, people do strap on conventional explosive vests and set them off in crowds. That is not the absurd part.

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        I think their point is that the van was a much easier storage vessel, with room and penetration power. Getting out of the van and walking 30 feet has miniscule change on the effects of a munition that’s blast radius and fallout are so large.

        The entire idea of a vest/backpack/portable device would be more so you can get behind enemy lines by say parachute or such. Although there is no point of a parachute as you don’t need to cushion your fall, and no need of the person if someone was already letting you leave said flying device.

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        That’s because thats the only way it can work with low power explosives slapped together by some group with limited resources.

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    Just Dumb fails to acknowledge the fucked up US healthcare system is deadlier to Americans than the stupid shit that developed in the vacuum between his ears.

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    I heard they’re developing a new Shahed bomb that can blow up a church and rebuild it into a mosque.

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    American civilians killed by Iran made nuclear slingshots and slippping on nuclear banana peels.

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    “Vance says” is like when my 3-year-old blames everything on the cat. Who ate all the nesquik Jonathan, was it the cat, or was it you with nesquik on your face? Who can say.

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      No, see, a raccoon busted in here. He said, he said to me, “that nesquik is mine, Jonathan”, he said, and then he ate it all, didn’t even mix it with the milk, just ate it powdered, then the raccoon smeared some on me and said, “Jonathan, this is now your fault mwahaha” and ran off!

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    Why does anyone care what the VP thinks? His job requires him to be hosting a book club or at a state funeral or something.

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    Maybe a dirty bomb with nuclear materials, but an actual fission bomb on a vest? No. Never mind they don’t have the enriched fuel, never mind just building a working device would be extremely difficult for them and that would be large like the Hiroshima bomb.

    This is Iraq Weapons of Mass Distraction all over again. Fuck this administration.

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      The US made, in its dr. strangelove years, 2100 “davey crocket” backpacks that were 51lbs. The suicide vest is an arab insurgent tool, and meant to be much more discrete.

      Iran is pretty good at missiles, and 4 weeks ago, and for last 30 years, was supposedly 2 weeks away from a nuke, as well as having a thing against Israel.

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        A backpack device is BIG. It could not be concealed like a suicide vest. It also requires nuclear materials (plutonium) and a specialty implosion design and triggers Iran does not have.

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          An Atomic Demolition Munition was nearly the size of a 55-gallon drum and came in two(?) pieces – the weapon itself and the equipment to detonate it – for making it easier to transport.

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            The SADM is 4 pieces, each weighing 18kg.

            Nobody’s walking around with a nuke vest. Why bother? Bomb vests are made so you can walk into a crowded place. With a nuke, just drive it in a truck in the targeted neighborhood.

            This is just Vance trying to scare some support into the disaster that Trump started to make us forget about Epstein.

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        yeah the idea that Iran would use humans as delivery mechanism for nuclear weapons is a form of racist fetishization. it’s maddening, this man. but then. i’m appalachian. i’m the hillbilly that racist carpet-baggging son of a bitch hayseed spoke ill of in his book. and i swear to GOD that man put soap in the cast iron skillet i’m gonna hit him in the face with

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          Sounds like US should bomb Israel or JD Vance. NYC terrorist plot, and Assassination/intimidation attempt against peace intermediaries in Pakistan… just yesterday. NATO has essentially confirmed that Israel is far more likely to have sent missiles to target/destroy Diego Garcia base than Iran, all to fake scare on Iran’s missile range. That’s just this week.

          From genocide, to pager attacks, JFK, 9/11, to lies determining warmongering, Israel is not a friend to even American empire (independent of its bribed administrators) much less Americans. It uses controlling violence against America, and much more dangerous than any other nation… if we just need a war for war’s sake.

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      It is actually possible, though it would stretch the definition of “vest.” It’s not something that can really fit on a vest, but I suppose you could hide it in a fat suit, a wheelchair, or a fake pregnancy belly.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54

      The W54 was a 1 kiloton bomb that weighed a bit over 50 lbs. It was built to be a man-portable demolition charge. It’s certainly possible for something like that to be built in a way that could be concealed on your person.

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          Hey sexy! Is that a rocket in your poc…holy shit! That’s a godamn big whatever it is!

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          Yeah. I’m imagining a suicide bomber wearing a huge fat suit like Mike Myers wore when played Fat Bastard. Just a giant fake belly with a literal nuclear bomb concealed inside.

          Though really, I think the real problem with a “nuclear suicide vest” is simple practicality. Like, what’s the actual point? The whole point of a suicide vest is to be able to smuggle explosives into an area where they’ll do the most damage. A guy holding a bomb in his hands won’t be let into a crowded bus. Someone holding a pipe bomb is going to cause people to run away from them screaming. A suicide vest bomber seeks to sneak into a crowded space densely packed with many people. Suicide bombers need to get close to large numbers of people. They need a bomb that can be concealed on their person. Otherwise they end up doing no more damage than someone could with a handgun.

          But a nuke? You don’t need to sneak the nuke into the stadium. You set it off five blocks away. It doesn’t need to be concealed. If you want to deliver a terrorist nuking, you would instead load it on the back of a truck with heavy radiation shielding. You don’t try to sneak it in to a crowded location. You just try to drive it into a dense urban area or near a critical piece of infrastructure and hope to not set off any radiation detectors along the way. A nuclear truck bomb is a reasonable fear. A nuclear suicide vest is laughable.

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        It’s not something that can really fit on a vest, but I suppose you could hide it in a fat suit, a wheelchair, or a fake pregnancy belly.

        Maybe that’s why people keep backing away from Trump. It’s not incontinence, it’s their dosimeter badges.

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        They cannot build a W54. This would be an early prototype device and that would not fit on a vest. Iran only has enriched uranium, not plutonium (according to news reports). It takes a great deal more uranium than plutonium to build a bomb. About 65ish kilos of +90% enriched for a uranium bomb.

        The W54 is a shaped charge implosion device. To build a W54, they’d need plutonium. And the trigger to detonate shaped charges at the right time in the right order. Plus, they need a neutron moderator to limit criticality so it doesn’t detonate with the full potential of the nuclear material. This is all well beyond Iran’s capabilities.

        Russia could do it though. Probably China too. North Korea? I think not.

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      Gun-type nukes are relatively easy to make and can be pretty compact. The hard part is getting the plutonium

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        I’m not a nuclear weapons designer, I’ve just read some books. But my understanding is that shaped charge implosion is better for Pu designs. It does require much less material to reach criticality. Maybe 8-9kg? vs 65kg for a U device. But I don’t think Iran has been refining Pu, just U.