• spongebue@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Don’t get me wrong, I think very poorly of ICE in the first place with everything they’re doing. But if I’m going to show this to someone to try to change their mind that ICE is doing fucked up stuff, they’re going to bring up a lot of unknowns, and rightly so.

    I prefer to hammer the strong arguments (of which there are many) than trying to use the scary ones that may not hold up

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      1 month ago

      I’m for strong arguments, but Americans in particular are not very honest about their values.

      Showing their weakness and ineptitude will turn an american against them much more quickly and reliably than showing their evil, and facts just absolutely do not matter a single fuck to anyone whos not already on board.

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        1 month ago

        “look at how evil ICE is in this video!”

        “Well, was she blocking something? You know you can’t just park in a driveway to block the way”

        “I dunno”

        “See, this is why ICE is perfectly fine and you’re overreacting blah blah blah”

        Personally, I’d rather bring up things like the masked/plainclothes thing being the norm and how it opens the door for anyone to abduct people who think they’re ICE. Or how they’re very clearly racially profiling in ways that affect American citizens.

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          Anyone who cares is already on side. Anyone who doesnt either cares about nothing or is committed to a delusion that will not be breached by anything as base as truth.

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            1 month ago

            Ok, but if that’s the case can we at least not reinforce their opinion by giving them an easy shot?