At least one journalist was hospitalized after Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents were seen cursing out, grabbing and shoving reporters on a public elevator.According to amNewYork, ICE agents were apprehending a suspected immigrant inside the elevator at 26 Federal Plaza in Lower Manhattan o...

At least one journalist was hospitalized after Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents were seen cursing out, grabbing and shoving reporters on a public elevator.According to amNewYork, ICE agents were apprehending a suspected immigrant inside the elevator at 26 Federal Plaza in Lower Manhattan o…

  • eRac@lemmings.world
    144·
    7 个月前

    26 Federal Plaza

    That building houses immigration services. They are attacking people coming to scheduled appointments.

    • ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world
      96·
      7 个月前

      It’s coming. They’re officallt trying to “declare war” on American cities. There is going to be violent backlash, and unfortunately that’s exactly what they want.

      • drzoidberg@lemmy.world
        652·
        7 个月前

        There’s no way out of it now. Either bend over and take the fascism, or fight for your freedom.

        Peaceful protesting isn’t going to do it, and good luck thinking elections are going to matter. Look what they’re currently doing to the Democrat that just won the House seat. Refusing to swear them in.

        We will have to kill Nazis again. If you don’t, you’ll have a boot on your neck till they drag you off to the next concentration camp.

      • Glifted@lemmy.world
        61·
        7 个月前

        Yeah, I kinda think they’re trying to spark a civil war. They believe they will win and then they will “purge” everyone who opposes them.

        • SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish
          25·
          7 个月前

          Funny. I think the same thing would happen to MAGATs, Klanners, and the 1%.

          As ever, I won’t start the fight, but I intend to be the one who walks away from it. Preferably with other minorities.

          • Glifted@lemmy.world
            15·
            7 个月前

            Yeah definitely be ready to fight if it comes to it but it’s a worst-case scenario. A civil war breaking out here would be devestating to everyone

        • Vespair@lemmy.zipEnglish
          151·
          7 个月前

          I don’t believe they think they’ll win, but winning isn’t the goal, doing irreparable damage to America is the point. The entire goal has always been to hurt America at the behest of foreign masters, the most effective way to do that is just to ignite the powder keg of political divide that already exist.

      • Montagge@lemmy.zip
        202·
        7 个月前

        It doesn’t matter at this point. We do nothing they complete their agenda. We do something maybe they use it as an excuse to expedite their agenda.

        • HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca
          15·
          7 个月前

          Which is exactly what I and many, many other people have been screaming for months and months. Every day you wait, it’s a harder fight. So your choices are act now and suffer, or act later and suffer worse. Sucks, but that is your reality.

      • MynameisAllen@lemmy.zip
        16·
        7 个月前

        I mean I don’t really know what other response one could give? “Let’s drum circle this bitch out?” The only other response I could imagine is a general strike, which I’m all for but doubt will happen

    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
      94·
      7 个月前

      The majority of guns are owned by white heterosexual male Christian Republicans. What’s the group that the fascists haven’t been targeting again?

      The thing about guns is that they have caused incredible harm, and a lot of people have looked at the statistics and realized that gun ownership makes their family less-safe. So most gun ownership is related to irrational fear or a heritage of gun culture. I’m in the latter group myself, and own dozens of firearms, but I’ve never been under the illusion that my gun ownership made me safer on average.

      But these are not normal times, and I fear that many minorities and those on the political left may realize too late that guns can suddenly stop being evil when they become necessary. And I absolutely believe they’ll be cracking down on gun ownership. If trans gun ownership isn’t banned in a year I’ll be shocked.

      And I won’t be surprised in the least if NICS checks for registered Democrats start getting funky. I don’t think Patel’s FBI will be dumb enough to deny all Democrats, but it would be very easy for them to put a delay flag on a check.

      Under a delay the full check is pending and the firearm can’t be sold for 3 days, after which it can proceed so long as a deny hasn’t been returned. But most major retailers won’t transfer on a delay until a proceed comes back, which can take as long as 6 weeks.

      And since NICS checks are only valid for 30 days from the date the check begins, a delay that is returned as a proceed after 6 weeks isn’t valid and can’t be used to sell a firearm. But since it’s a proceed there’s no grounds to challenge it.

      • F_State@midwest.social
        16·
        7 个月前

        Not entirely true. Huge numbers of leftists own guns, it’s mostly liberals/centrist that drank the gun prohibition koolaid. Look what it’s got them? Cause it’ll never happen here, remember? Oh, whoops. I see people realizing their mistake most quickly with black people; black panthers and other community defense groups in black neighborhoods have been making a come back. Pray more people get on the band wagon. And if you can’t legally own guns, there are alternatives. Crossbows, compound bows, muzzle loaders. Being armed in some way is the best way to keep your communities safe from outside violence.

        • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
          61·
          7 个月前

          Also a lot of right wingers have way too many guns, and not in a oh it’s a collection sort of way but in a why do you have 4 AR15s in 5.56 sort of way. It’s not like they can use them all simultaneously so why have more than one standard rifle? Regardless my solution to getting a gun in the case of random violence is to find a Maga flag and wait until I see them with one, then I’m smacking them with a shovel, axe, or crowbar and jacking the firearm. Worst case scenario I get killed boohoo.

        • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
          3·
          7 个月前

          That is the most surprise-pikachu-face.jpg thing ever, wondering how the “Only cops and military should have access to modern weaponry in a CiViLiZeD sOciEtY” crowd feels right about now, watching helplessly as cops and (para)military run around jackbooting any Americans they want with impunity then memeing about it on Xitter.

      • frongt@lemmy.zip
        18·
        7 个月前

        Even more important than that is ORGANIZE WITH YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY GROUPS. We can not survive fascism with 300 million individuals, we must ally and work together.

        And I don’t even mean like form a militia, I mean any group, whether that’s mutual aid, a soup kitchen, a book club. Get to know your neighbors.

    • BaroqueInMind@piefed.socialEnglish
      57·
      7 个月前

      I see this a lot, and I gotta ask, as a fellow Lefty: what is stopping you? You ALSO can use your 2nd as well if you are a citizen.

      Stop hoping another mentally ill person does it for you, that’s just being lazy and spreading rhetoric.

      Calling for violence online is not cool, go be the change you want to see in the world yourself

  • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    43·
    7 个月前

    I’m honestly curious when people are gonna start actually ambushing and executing these ICEcubes, because they’re making it pretty obvious that they’re clear and present dangers to civil society, and generally enemies of perfectly normal and fully law abiding citizens (not to mention the vast majority of absolutely harmless undocumented immigrants that are being targeted as scapegoats).

    • mhague@lemmy.world
      261·
      7 个月前

      Well if people start executing ICE I’m not going to say anything about it.

      It’s like how you aren’t legally required to render aid in California. If I saw a wrecked car with a maga bumper sticker, then I didn’t see a wrecked car ;)

      • OldChicoAle@lemmy.world
        92·
        7 个月前

        I take mental note of the fascists in my neighborhood (Trump flags, thin blue line flags, let’s go Brandon stickers, don’t tread on me crap, etc). I live in the middle of a fire risk zone in California. If there’s a fire, I’m not helping the fascists evacuate. They voted for crooks that don’t believe in science and climate change so they can sleep in the bed they made. That bed being a grave.

      • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
        26·
        7 个月前

        If I saw a wrecked car with a maga bumper sticker, then I didn’t see a wrecked car ;)

        I want their factional fascist ideology to go away too, but if this is sincere, then the red-hat-blue-hat hate politics of MAGA has already won. And that’s sad indeed.

        Edit: Getting labeled and flamed for advocating against the hypothetical of letting a random human being burn to death solely based on “bumper sticker” as justification. This world is friggin wild. Lol

        • cycadophyta@lemmy.world
          2·
          7 个月前

          Oh fuck off. Republicans will never stop and you’re a liberal fascist yourself with your sentiment here.

          • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
            31·
            7 个月前

            Sorry but you’re gonna run out of friends pretty quick with that attitude, because eventually you’ll all be attacking and labeling each other for your views falling short of some arbitrary perfection.

            The above statement was joking about letting a random idiot who posed no threat die horrifically because of a label. If that’s the monsters we’re willing to become, then so much for the empathy we claim to champion.

            It’s simply a statement that didn’t need to be made.

            I recall everyone being justifiably disgusted at fascist muppets cheering on the murders of their political opponents by unhinged psychopaths drunk off their rhetoric.

            But it’s okay when we do it? That’s MAGA shit. That’s tankie shit. That kind of tribalism is the domain of the worst kinds of assholes.

            We must defend ourselves, fight fascists, but if we lose our humanity in the process and get off to thoughts of our dead neighbors over stupidity, then what’s the friggin point anymore?

            Anyway, hope you’re doing alright today. Stay safe out there.

        • mhague@lemmy.world
          2·
          6 个月前

          It’s fucked up how you didn’t call me names and run, you weren’t a conversational dead end; all you did was disagree and explain your reasoning… and people respond by downvoting. “You’ve been deducted 6 social credit for not hating MAGA enough.” But at least the points don’t matter yet.

          • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
            1·
            6 个月前

            I really appreciate you taking the time to say this. Thank you.

            It is a bit sad and scary how the popular first reaction is to silence and attack any possible counterpoints rather than reason, even within a large sphere of general agreement.

            I hope you’re doing alright and staying safe out there. Thanks for “remembering the human” as they say. :)

    • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
      7·
      7 个月前

      I too am surprised not to have heard of ambushes. Maybe their tip line is so swampped with BS protest tips, that they don’t even check the tips. Without that, there isn’t much of a way to know where they will be. Which means at least one person in ICE is probably smart.

      That said… killing federal officers probably isn’t a great plan. But if you could incapacitate them somehow, and like sharpie thier foreheads or something, that would be pretty funny. And of course take a photo with thier mask off…

    • lemonySplit@lemmy.ca
      6·
      7 个月前

      Anyone have a non paywalled version? Started reading it only to find you have to subscribe to the Atlantic

      • (des)mosthenes@lemmy.world
        161·
        7 个月前

        sheep do think like that. just cause dems were forced to overturn the 60 vote threshold by an uncooperative minority party holding congress hostage. ignore everything else conservatives did to dismantle centuries of established precedence and law

        • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
          01·
          7 个月前

          I did not say Dems. I said Liberals. Because it does not solely apply do Dems. Also to pre-Hitler Germany caving to the far right on everything.

      • anon_8675309@lemmy.world
        141·
        7 个月前

        In the US, The Heritage Foundation has been laying the groundwork since the mid-1970s.

        But, sure, it’s the “Libs”…

        • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
          81·
          7 个月前

          Libs, as in centrist neoliberals, enabled the far right as it is now.

          On a tangent, I didn’t know Heritage Foundation has been around that long. I can imagine they popped up as a response to the hippie counterculture. I’m not excusing the Heritage, but the left and right dichotomy is like a pendulum that always swings on either side. Now the pendulum swung closer to the far right, if we’re not already there.

      • nomy@lemmy.zipEnglish
        91·
        7 个月前

        That’s your knee-jerk reaction isn’t it? Blame someone.

        You sound like Fox News. If you want to blame someone blame the owner class and 70 years of Heritage Foundation propaganda.

      • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        7 个月前

        Lol.

        Such a stupid comment.

        Educate yourself. Or find someone that can educate you.

  • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
    171·
    7 个月前

    Everyone should be arming themselves and everyone they know for what’s coming. I don’t pretend to know exactly what’s coming and exactly what it will look like, but you will definitely want to be armed.

  • anon_8675309@lemmy.world
    121·
    7 个月前

    Looking for self-defense classes for my SO. Sure, it’s illegal to fight back, but I mean it mostly to minimize their attack. Also, encouraging them to do daily calisthenics. Fortunately they’ve always been athletic so it’s not a huge encouragement.

    We’re not their target yet, but I’ve no doubt that soon everyone will be.

    • njm1314@lemmy.world
      14·
      7 个月前

      It’s going to be illegal for a lot of us to even exist soon. Might as well fight back.

          • TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works
            11·
            7 个月前

            If you’re EXTREMELY lucky, I would say. In this climate, other ice or law enforcement are just going to kill you. Or at the very least throw you in prison, into a system where you also might just disappear. Without seeing a lawyer or your family, to another country, where you may not be a citizen or have ever lived. And possibly into their foreign prison system directly, into an evil vilainesque torture prison designed for nobody to ever leave

    • village604@adultswim.fanEnglish
      2·
      7 个月前

      Going for the balls and throat is always a good self defense option.

      But honestly, unless you’re training very regularly, the training in those classes will be forgotten once the adrenaline kicks in. For most people it needs to be committed to muscle memory to use in a panic situation.

    • 0x0@lemmy.zip
      2·
      7 个月前

      Sure, it’s illegal to fight back,

      Oh, so they’ve dialed another notch into fascism, i see…

    • Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world
      8·
      7 个月前

      I lose my mind over this, too.

      ICE Agents Attack Journalists, is accurate

      Confrontation with ICE Agents Ends with One Journalist in Hospital, is still accurate.

      This title makes it sound like the journalist tripped and fell on their way to bother some ICE agents.