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Samsung Statement to Android Authority:
Samsung is committed to innovation and enhancing every day value for our home appliance customers. As part of our ongoing efforts to strengthen that value, we are conducting a pilot program to offer promotions and curated advertisements on certain Samsung Family Hub refrigerator models in the U.S. market.
As a part of this pilot program, Family Hub refrigerators in the U.S. will receive an over-the-network (OTN) software update with Terms of Service (T&C) and Privacy Notice (PN). Advertising will appear on certain Family Hub refrigerator Cover Screens. The Cover Screen appears when a Family Hub screen is idle. Ad design format may change depending on Family Hub personalization options for the Cover Screen, and advertising will not appear when Cover Screen displays Art Mode or picture albums.
Advertisements can be dismissed on the Cover Screens where ads are shown, meaning that specific ads will not appear again during the campaign period.
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Tfw u set up Pihole so ur fridge stops spamming you with ads.
I wonder how much longer that will work. DNS over HTTPS is now a thing and totally defeats the mechanism of a pihole.
VPN running on a WRT router? I know very little about this stuff I just know the buzzwords for street cred.
Pihole’s act as a DNS or “Dynamic Name Server”. All internet traffic is IP based once it leaves your home because routers dont know how to forward traffic for “https://samsung-ad-hell.com/”, so there is a dedicated kind of packet for “Where is https://samsung-ad-hell.com/ located?” and that is a DNS Lookup. The Pihole pretends to know because it maintains a list of bad urls that host websites that only support privacy exploitation and advertisements and tells them “oh you want to go to 0.0.0.0, that’s where you’ll find your stuff” as it snickers.
But DNS Lookups were always plain text. When your laptop says “Where is https://big-booties.com/” your ISP knows you want porn. Now there is a new variant called “Secure DNS Lookup” which encrypts the url you’re asking about. The ISP knows you’re asking for a domain’s IP, but it can’t know which one and it no longer cares. Neat.
The trouble is that the Pi-Hole can no longer protect us from all the stupid fucking smart devices that want to earn a fraction of a penny per device by spying on us because THEY use the new Secure DNS Lookup.
It’s not a huge issue, you need a DoH resolver now (e.g. your browser which has a secure connection to a secure DNS server) which cannot block
Wow really? I was under the impression that the SSL part would prevent the pihole from being able to spoof itself as a legitimate DNS
prevent the pihole from being able to spoof itself as a legitimate DNS
Not to be pedantic, but a pihole is legitimate DNS. Being able to do your own DNS has always been a fundamental part of the Internet Protocol, and is used a lot in enterprise to handle name resolution for internal subnets and stuff like that.
Being pedantic is totally OK here - we’re talking about SSL’s spoof protection. I’ll have to look up how any rando can host a DNS that supports DNS/HTTPS when a system would be expecting a valid SSL cert that declares who it was issued to and by whom and the requester is expecting a particular whom.
SSL operates after name resolution. It’s one way that information about your browsing habits is not protected by application-layer encryption; the domains you’re visiting are available to your DNS server.
Unless you’re using DNS over TLS!
Or DNS over https, but that’s kind of gross.
Interesting… Well, this prompted me to search what Pi-Hole has done for this, and they seem to have a way to continue blocking even DoH, using “cloudfared”, which is another daemon that needs to run with Pi-Hole… They can’t possibly think their enshittification will continue to work.
It works on 99% of consumers. As long as preventing the enshittification from stealing your data requires effort and knowledge, this will continue to be the case. Hence the arms race between enshittifiers and human beings, two grouos that are mutually exclusive.
Me yelling “enhance” at my router so it blocks ads better
I can tell you didn’t read the manual because it obviously states that you have to be staring over the top of sunglasses for that configuration option to work.
Maybe block the DoH endpoint and in theory the device might fall back to normal DNS, dunno if that would work.
and also block outgoing connections to port 53 when it’s not the pihole device’s allowed IP
I’m speculating, but it wouldn’t change a thing. You would still need to request domain addresses from a server somewhere, but traffic between your device and server would be encrypted in transit. The DNS server would also be verifiable to prevent imitators.
So, the request would go to the PiHole and if it was not being filtered the PiHole would make the request of whatever upstream server is configured same as before.
the difference is that it’s very hard to block doh connections because it looks like web/API traffic. and if you don’t block it, it will work around your pihole without you noticing. pihole only works if your devices actually use it without evading it, or if you can firce them to do so. doh is not used for connecting to pihole, it does not even support it.
Used to be I would spam my pie hole with junk from the fridge.
Or just block internet access completely.
This is the way. Although, when I did this to my Samsung television, it eventually began to display dialog boxes complaining that it was having trouble accessing the Internet. So I had to completely delete all network settings in the TV and give up the ability to control it through Home assistant. Annoying.
Samsung is cancer.
How can I watch Roblox let’s plays in my kitchen then hmmmm
through HDMI
Anyone who fell into the trap of buying a fridge with a screen in it kind of deserves this.
I hear what you are saying. But our society is pretty fucked up if you “deserve” something bad because you bought a product without imaging how the manufacturer can make it worse in the future.
The owners should be able to return the product if something like this happens, no matter how long ago they bought it.
Help! My spy machine is spying on me!
Yeah but imagine how cool stuff could be if companies didn’t 100% of the time ruin their inventions
I don’t disagree but what’s also true is that some products are already as good as they can get and no longer need innovation. I know this is a bold claim but I’d argue that my dumb fridge without screen or internet connection keeps my food just as cool as the latest smart fridge.
some products are already as good as they can get and no longer need innovation
I just saw a poster for a sort-of cool fridge innovation: It has a door-in-the-door that you can open to get out commonly used things without having to open the main door and let all the cold air out. It’s called a “Conservadoor” refrigerator.
The kicker is that I saw this on Antiques Roadshow and it’s from the 1950s.
I don’t know why, but I remember seeing that somewhere, too. Fantastic idea. Ergonomic AND energy efficient. Though, I feel like adding in a mini door somewhat lowers the insulative abilities of the main door, so I’m not sure of the trade-off.
I’m a big fan of “make it actually better or leave it the fuck alone”
I literally can’t imagine a box that makes things cold being made cooler by having a screen on it
call me old-fashioned, but you don’t need a fridge with a fucking screen in it.
More than this we don’t need smart TVs I wanna dump high quality image tv
This is one of the many reasons I didn’t buy a fridge with a screen on it.
It seemed pretty obvious they were going to try and advertise something on it.
When I first saw them in stores, they were shown as having games on them. Why would anyone in this day and age, when we all have cell phones, need their fridge to have games on it? It makes no sense to add something like that.
This would already be illegal if we didn’t live in corporate dictatorships.
Best I can offer in the US is a spiraling rapid descent into fascism.
“Innovation” used to mean better prices and/or better products. Adding adverts to a product you already own isn’t innovation.
It is innovation.
Just for the company, not for you.
It was bad enough getting ads at the gas pump
Fast charging stations tend to have the brightest, most gigantic ad video screens. So big that you’re subjected to them merely passing by and not even using the charger. I suspect they’re brighter than the sun because they get cheap subsidized energy to run the ad screens since it’s “for charging green cars” and they’re using a loophole.
I was talking about the L2 at my house but ok. The largest L3 charging network doesn’t even have screens, though it’s figurehead is a Nazi.
And for the ones that do, you can just go sit in your car. No need to stand there staring at the stupid thing for half an hour.
when you buy an over-engineered appliance, if i feel like spending extra $$$ for a fridge, i’d rather go for quality steel panels and compressor, not an screen with wifi
Make me a nuclear blastproof fridge. Wtf do I need a screen for? What does the wifi do for me? Does it tell me if I am out of eggs? I fucking thought not.
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? Or just the average sense of impending doom?
Somewhere in between. At least enough to hide inside if a missile hits my house.
Back in the 50s and 60s fridges got cold. The racks were made out of metal so they lasted forever. We could build fridges like this, but we choose not to.
Pretty sure it can, but idk how good it is.
How does it know though? If I just put a carton of eggs in there probably not. If the special egg holder is empty maybe. But I could still have eggs while the holder is empty and the fridge would be none the wiser.
But I don’t actually know how it knows the number of eggs so I might be wrong.
It knows because there are cameras inside the fridge and it can recognize the items you put inside and remove, and has logic built around all of these observations.
It’s not perfect but I’m surprised how often it’s accurate, especially in a household that doesn’t give any shits whatsoever about refrigerator organization.
It knows because there are cameras inside the fridge and it can recognize the items you put inside and remove, and has logic built around all of these observations.
society is getting dumber.
Oh I see. That’s nice. I still don’t need the function though. Give me more space or a better buuld for the premium this feature costs.
Don’t connect your devices to the Internet if they worked before without the Internet.
And pay attention if you are buying one that you don’t need to connect it! Let the company know you’ll buy a “dumb” fridge to avoid their bullshit.
but then how will I watch tiktoks on it!
Why the fuck would you buy a smart fridge.
When the idea of them first came in to play the thought were items put in would have rfid tags or another identifier and your fridge could help you keep inventory and track when things might be going bad, suggest recipes and whatnot.
We shoulda known it’d be ads tho
It should display what is inside the fridge, without the energy loss of a window.
It should have a bar code scanner and a complete food inventory system.
It should be the “kitchen’s tablet” able to show recipes, watch cooking instruction videos, have a high quality curated knowledge compedium in a convenient and easy to access way.
It should be able to stream outside cameras and answer door bells.
It should be able to take video calls from Mom on XMPP.
It should have high precision control and diagnostic systems.
It should run ENTIRELY on open source software, not damn blob drivers, the display panel should connect internally with an HDMI cable.
Run Proxmox and all my menagerie of LXC containers, don’t cheap out LG!! I want 64 GB RAM and 2tb ssd and a slot to add an HDD.
It should auto-doomscroll for me while I peel potatoes.
It should be able to run a smart voice assistance running Mistral 8x70B medium, locally and OFFLINE but networked and answer my agentic commands with a posh british accent.ok, good enough, send it
How else are you going to look at Facebook while you drink milk out of the carton if you forgot your phone in the living room?
My parents bought a fancy Samsung fridge with a screen 5 years ago. We bought LG. In the first year they had theirs serviced 6 times before replacing it with the same LG fridge we have. Earlier this year right before the extended warranty ran out the compressor on my fridge died. They’ve not had a single problem with theirs yet.
My brother bought a Samsung TV that was supposed to be better than my LG OLED. In the first year the anti glare coating wore off enough that there are bright spots you can’t not see. My LG TV is fine.
Typed on my Samsung phone.
Remarkable that there were no typos in that post, despite being typed on a Smasnug phone
🤣🤣🤣
I couldn’t even list all the horror stories I’ve heard firsthand about Samsung appliances, including massive damage to people’s houses caused by leaks.
When my parents were shopping for a washing machine a couple of years ago, they asked their friend who works at Home Depot what seemed to be reliable and he basically said “anything but Samsung”. They had way more Samsung returns than anything else.
Samsung appliances have had a bad reputation for more than a decade now. I don’t know how they can still sell appliances - how is it not everyone knows yet? How is it they still haven’t fixed the quality problems?
my lab has 14 Samsung fridges, now 5 years old and no problems. But, they just are fridges, no ice or water or other bullshit people seem to love.
Samsung is a big name, and people don’t buy appliances that often.
We bought our gas oven from Samsung and the front right burner wouldn’t light after a few weeks. We got a full refund, but the front right burner started working again a few months later, and we still use the stove, though the oven light epileptically glitches every time we open the oven.
So, sure, you could pay for things that actually work. But it’s like that tagline at the end of Samsung advertisements:
Samsung: Buy Samsung, Then Get All Your Money Back, And Possibly Also Receive A Mostly Working Appliance For Free.
Ads are one thing, but how the fuck hasn’t Bixby been killed and buried yet???
It captures them a shitton of data that they very likely sell or use to get advertisers on board.
Just duct tape an iPad to the refrigerator door. It’s cheaper and it works better.
Even cheaper to tape up a piece of paper that says “GO BUY SOME USELESS BULLSHIT”.
Useless display in refrigerators finally revealed as corporate ploy to install billboard in consumer’s kitchens.
Should be a free fridge then.
Samsung is committed to innovation and enhancing every day value for our home appliance customers.
Awesome, you’re going to make my life…
As part of our ongoing efforts to strengthen that value, we are conducting a pilot program to offer promotions and curated advertisements on certain Samsung Family Hub refrigerator models in the U.S. market.
Worse, because you’re just going to squeeze money and time from me
Fuck Samsung
