No they arent cooking. They just made a random baseless statement supported by nothing to bait engagement on twitter.
I think it’s bullshit, to be honest. Souls fanbase is very accepting, and these games are inherently “woke”, and even helped me to recognize my identity as a non-binary person
DS2 had a transition coffin, for Miyazaki’s sake!
Based ass trans coffin
Miyazaki made Souls for two reasons:
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There are no good berserk games, fuck it I’ll do it myself
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Poisonous swamps
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Feet
- Femboys
- Femboy feet
Who is the femboys? Please give
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I play souls games to kill the ruling class and to give the world to humanity.
Any talk of this alpha and sigma bullshit instantly tells me that person is a shithead not worth listening to.
I was under the impression they were using alpha/beta not as prescriptive classifications of people, but rather as descriptive labels of the roles the right wing chooses for themselves. Many people on the right wing do believe in the idiotic alpha/beta junk, and as a result they act on it accordingly, thus making their own imaginary dynamics real within their own world. They pigeonhole themselves, artificially, into these categories - which ironically makes them useful terms for outsiders to segment them with.
Correlation does not necessarily imply causation. There’s not much to go off of here other than vibes and gut feelings, not exactly a logical basis of an argument.
Context: I love souls games and hate fascism
I think Alyssa can’t get past the Capra Demon. I don’t even see many right wing dipshits that are into soulslikes. Plenty into Fallout and Warhammer, tho.
“Appearance has no bearing on ability”
Sounds like that fucker is mad because she can’t git gud.
That’s a fed doing fed shit
Weirdly, I think I kind of see the point. Soulslikes put you in the mindset that you have to do everything yourself. The world is tough and it’s up to you, the player, to overcome that. And the attitude of “you just have to try harder and keep at it bro” feels very capitalist sympathy.
Obviously not going to change the mindset of every player, but I could see it reinforcing those ideas subconsciously.
As opposed to team games where that’s obviously the opposite.
Well traditionally Souls games are actually about banding together, especially under jolly cooperation. Im not sure where you are getting the individual thing from
It’s weird because (having only played elden ring) I’ve always felt like I’ve got support from others even though I play solo. There are so many helpful and encouraging messages, from “beware of right” to “don’t give up!” to “well done o well done”, that it always feels like I’ve got a bunch of people at my back, even though I still need to do all the work myself. Even the ghosts give the impression that we’re all going through this together.
Maybe it’s just a thing where you get out the same type of energy you put into it.
I think this is something specific to the games made by From Software. Many, many other games in the genre do not seem to give off this same energy which is what I imagine is one of the key reasons they’re so insanely successful compared to their competition. I’d say From Software is the exception rather than the rule.
Ya, I’ve bounced off a couple non-fromsoft soulslikes and they always seem to forget that the games are tying to build you up by challenging you rather than tear you down by defeating you. I can definitely see how those kinds of harsh dev vs player type games could feed into a mindset of “it’s everyone for themselves and i will come out on top”
I can agree but also disagree at the same time. I feel as though shes onto something here, but for the wrong reasons.
In my findings, the one thing right wingers band together on is “woke” and “wokeness is destroying gaming” . There really isnt any way to break down CoD, its point and shoot “military go brrrrrr” stuff. Souls games, on the other hand, are just sandbox games. There isnt a story to be told. Go here, do objective, go back, get stronger, fight big monsters.
Now, theres definitely more to it. What I have found is that hardcore right wingers will seek out the finer details of things. Theres massive amounts of lore dumps for the Souls games, you have to go find it. Most right wingers I know will obsessively deep dive into any of their favorite mediums for lore and story, but they never have any take aways for themes, comparisons, or any critical outlooks on their mediums. Doing that will reveal that even their favorite mediums are “woke” and we cant have that in their favorite games.
Warhammer. Halo. “Souls”. Helldivers. Bioshock. Mass Effect. Fallout. Nearly all of these games, if looked at critically, can be seen as a critique of traditional right wing ideologies. Most of them you do not need to look hard, its right there.
They are probably terrible at video games and definitely souls games lmao. There is legit saltiness in the posts
“Alpha jock FPS gamers”
Someone didn’t ever use voice chat.
The “analysis” presented is worthless. But you could observe Soulslike communities and correctly assess that a majority of the people you observed during that time are right wing or hold some similar views. That’s just because they’re computer games and computer game players skew right wing.
I’d be surprised if Souls had a stronger Right bias than, say, Devil May Cry, Mass Effect, Destiny, Factorio. The popular ones that don’t, draw in audiences from outside, or they’re so mainstream that they accurately reflect larger society.
Does OOP / anyone else here think that there’s a causal effect, and if so which way is it going? Like is the rise in right wingery meaning that said right wingers seek out Soulslikes, or is the rise of Soulslikes causing people to adopt right wing positions? I feel like it can’t be the latter just down to a matter of numbers, as they were a famous but still relatively niche genre up until Elden Ring and the right wingery was definitely on the move before that
I don’t think there is a causal effect - people tend to consume media that appeals to them for some reason or another. If someone enjoys a Soulslike because they like being the simultaneously strong and weak underdog conquering strange foreign monsters, that’s just their pre-existing fascist tendencies being the reason they enjoy the game. Many different tendencies might cause different people to enjoy the same game for different reasons.
Now, I do think media can shape a culture. But in the case of Soulslikes, any latent fascist messaging seems too subjective and subtle to be doing that.
It’s more likely that rising fascism contributes to the popularity of Soulslikes, which I think is at least plausible - just like how rising nationalism could easily contribute to the rise of team FPS games. But there are so many other viable causes for the popularity of Soulslikes that it seems extremely presumptuous to single out that one.
I think I’m in agreement with all of this. I certainly don’t feel like my own personal enjoyment of the genre is anything to with some kind of… subconscious political position I don’t realise I have
Yeah I definitely don’t think someone’s game preferences are enough to determine their political preferences.
That said… I would imagine a neural network could probably do a good job if it given someone’s entire Steam library and associated playtime…but my intuition tells me Soulslikes in particular would not be a powerful indicator even then. It would likely be things like TLOU2, Celeste, etc…that would make for reliable predictors.
Yeah I expect it would actually. Considering my love of Paradox’s strategy games, I think I would prefer to not do that. I suppose there’d be a little bit of a difficulty in that a lot of the games that seem like they ought to be the best predictors (Celeste, for example) are themselves quite obscure games compared to the likes of big AAA titles, so the network would maybe struggle for training data to some degree. I don’t really know what sort of volume is necessary for these things to start making useful associations
No.
Hierarchies attract conservatives.
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