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But if no one has to struggle, how will we know who’s beneath us??
And yet, if they didn’t have anyone to make their fat arses fatter by eating burgers all fucking day, they’d complain yet again.
Boomers still think fast-food jobs are part-time things that teenagers do for some pocket change. They literally do not grasp the idea that there are adults working there to pay rent and buy food.
They dont realize that teenagers dont even have jobs anymore mostly
look can we stop with the boomer crap? that is a myth and disproved so many times. lets work together instead of insulting whole generations of people we don’t know
It’s not a myth. If it wasn’t so disgustingly true across the board I’d be in agreement. Class war over generational and all that, but I’ll also call out the systems and people that are actively (STILL) shitting all over progress. Their generation is at fault in large part to why we’re so utterly fucked and continue to be (see Reagan). The majority of our gov is run by geriatric fucks that refuse to align with their constituents and cling on to their positions until they’re literally in wheel chairs. Those are fucking boomers. They’re in charge still, and they’re the ones holding the reins on voting in any iota of progress in any number of categories, one being minimum wage. Fuck them.
Its a myth. but hey, lets not facts get in the way of anything. y know, like individual circumstances, actual ages of the people in charge running the government and tech companies, etc.
if you believe the myth, then you’ve been led around by the nose by big tech. y know the the predominately gen x’ers who run the tech world.
BTW I’m a gen xer. born in 68. know more about tech than most millennials( though probably less than many here of any age) and less about cars than most gen x’ers. Know what that says? Means I spent my time differently than others in my generation, same as every generation. Stop with the myth.
If a majority of boomers think Thing1, but you are a boomer who thinks Thing2 instead, you are not disproving a myth, you’re being an outlier. If you were to pick a random boomer off the street, there’s a very good chance that he thinks Thing1 instead of Thing2. So “boomers think Thing1” is a perfectly valid (if a bit casual) statment that adequately represents the underlying statistical facts of the situation.
It can be frustrating as a Thing2 boomer, but that’s just how it is. The world thinks Amercans are hateful, disgusting ghoulish greedy misanthopists, and it feels bad to hear that as an American who didn’t vote for Trump, but I accept the logic behind the generalization.
So now you’re telling a guy who lived the experience that he is mistaken. Kid. Enough. You have no idea what you’re talking about, like, at all.
You enjoy your evening.
“McDonald’s is a job for high schoolers, it’s not a career!”
Then why are they open during school hours, and why do you go there during your lunch break, Gladys, when kids are “at school” and can’t “flip burgers”?
I’m glad you asked, the answer is:
CHILD LABOR
Florida: Let’s expand the work experience program to backfill immigrant labor!
I think it should come paired with a heavily unionised workforce, otherwise you end up like the UK where the minimum wage keeps going up, but salaries of people who were previously not on the minimum wage stay the same, so now everyone else is actually earning less because prices are rising but salaries are only rising at the top and bottom, eliminating the middle class entirely. A doctor is NOT a minimum wage job, and yet doctors in the UK are earning almost below the minimum wage, given the number of hours they actually work.
In the US, people we have the same problem with college degree+ level jobs being underpaid, but people without them are just impoverished for life. And some of the ones with the college degree jobs too!
I know it’s not for everyone, but if you’re reading this maybe it’s for you. The trades! Be an electrician, HVAC, plumber, mechanic, etc. It pays well. I mean you’ll probably never get rich, but you’ll definitely be able to support a family. And, once you’re established you could open your own shop. Be your own boss. Know the satisfaction of building something, working with your hands.
Not everyone needs college. I suspect we have enough art historians to get by. We definitely need more trades homies!
That is an issue, but it’s still a better world than the one in which only two of the pay bands are making ends meet rather than all three.
Exactly. Don’t let perfection get in the way of progress.
It’s actually frustrating how some version of this “problem” is brought up whenever conditions become better for people who earn the least. Like, yes, it makes people like you or me feel poorer compared to the rich fucks of the world, but would you rather go back to poor folks being literally destitute, unable to care for their families?
Problem’s coming from t’other end, gov. Not those poor chaps.
Sorry not directed at you of course; just took the opportunity to go off lol. :P
This comment doesn’t really mean a lot without context. The pay for doctors in the UK varies quite a bit depending on which level of their career they are at. Resident doctors (Foundation Year 1 & 2) earn anywhere between £33k and £37k, Trainees (training in a specialized area of medicine, CT 1-3, ST 1-9) can earn between £43k to £63k. All of these are considered Junior Doctors, who work under the supervision of a Senior Doctor. When they have completed full medical training in a specialized area of medicine (7-10 years), they are Consultant level, which is a Senior Doctor. This can pay between £93k and £126k per year.
For further context, the median individual wage in the UK is £37,430, which is about what second year Resident doctors earn on average. Much like the US, this can be good or bad, depending on where you live. In the North of England, an FY2 earning £37k is solidly middle-class. In London? He’s working-class, but still making far more than minimum wage, and his income will only increase from there.
Speaking of minimum wage… For people 21+ years old, it’s £12.21 an hour. At 40 hours a week, that’s £25,396 per year, or about £7k a year less than a first year resident. There are ZERO doctors in the UK earning “almost below the minimum wage, given the number of hours they actually work.” Unlike in the US where doctors work a billion hours a week, doctors in the UK are unionized (most with the BMA, but there are other unions), and their contracts prevent this. On average, the workload for FY1 & 2 (Residents) is 48 hours per week. They do occasionally get hit with longer weeks, but it’s not normal. Their union contracts are designed specifically to prevent overworking and allow them time to work and study/take exams. Doctors working 80 and 90 hour weeks is mostly a thing of the past.
The bottom line is that Doctors in the UK generally make a good living and have strong unions that ensure they continue to do so. That’s not to say things can’t or shouldn’t improve, but their situation is far from bleak. If the only reason you’re getting into medicine is to get rich, then please get the fuck out of medicine. There are much easier ways to get rich than spending the next 20 years studying while you watch people die in front of you.
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Yes, both are very important points. I’ve never met a British doctor who had to drive for Uber or suck dick on Backpage to pay off student loans.
I’m chill with safety nets for poor people and regulations on large companies
what I consider far left is when people start saying that the govt should own everything and there shouldn’t be private property. that’s an extreme and I am against that.
edit: all of you downvoters are actually far left commies and I’m completely correct
The rational left (i.e. not the authoritarians) only want the “government” to own everything insomuch as the “government” is a profoundly democratic representative body, in an administrative capacity.
Don’t confuse “private property” (industrial machines and other means of production held privately by an investor class in order to extract profit via the arbitrage between the productive value of employees and their flat wages) with “personal property” (your house, car, clothes, dishes, toothbrush, etc.). There aren’t many leftists who think there shouldn’t be personal property.
Private property that isn’t personal is someone elses property, and if I want to have my own property it makes sense for others to also have it
I don’t want the govt owning my home, or having to rent from a govt, and I dont want to drink water from govt owned companies because at that point it truly is authoritarian simply because the govt has way too much power over your life
There aren’t many leftists who think there shouldn’t be personal property.
I’ve been on .ml before and theres more than a few people than think NK and Stalin are/were good, and are anti-private property
edit: I honestly kinda think some of you are downvoting this because other people have downvoted this. these aren’t unpopular or insane ideas, and anyway I only used water as an example of govt ownership because that’s the first thing that came to my mind. a better example would be that I wouldn’t want my food to be grown by the govt
.ml folks aren’t far left, they’re full on authoritarian dictatorship apologists. They’re no more leftist than China is communist
I dont want to drink water from govt owned companies because at that point it truly is authoritarian simply because the govt has way too much power over your life
Been drinking tap water straight from government-owned companies for decades. Taste is okay (a bit hard for geological reasons), but it couldn’t be healthier.
Still, though, you’re right that the question of the state not owning everything is a very serious one that needs to be addressed.
What are your thoughts on cooperatives, libertarian socialism, or anarchist communism?
My government owned power utility is selling me the cheapest electricity of all the OECD, and still turning a profit that’s returned in the government’s coffers to invest in research and social services. It’s awful!
What I don’t like isn’t the fact that the profits of the service aren’t going to shareholders, but because it gives the govt more power over you. This is fine if you trust the govt, but at some point there is an extreme of trusting the govt with too much. like I wouldn’t want the chinese govt controlling my finances
edit: why tf am I being downvoted? if you disagree with me then reply.
Yeah you’re right, the shareholders really have my best interests at heart!
Thankfully in this case I AM THE SHAREHOLDER.
I wanna work in a library. Not much people, quiet, simple.
But it doesn’t pay, like, anything.
Then again, nothing I have ever done pays enough. Not even the things that used to be considered well-paying back in my father’s time.
I loved working in libraries. But even after becoming a manager, I couldn’t feed my kids on the pay. It sucked. I miss it.
I always wanted to be a teacher. I have a passion for teaching people new ways of looking at the world. I manage a team and used to open every Monday call with a chat about science news until the higher-ups started cracking down on “unproductive time.”
Then I got to know a few teachers, and the way they have to work one or two other jobs on the side so they can afford to bring their kids art supplies and science books and I just don’t have it in me. Massive respect to the men and women who stick with their teaching careers despite not being paid, respected or honored in any way by Western society.
Massive respect to the men and women who stick with their teaching careers despite not being paid, respected or honored in any way by Western society.
America isn’t the entirety of western society
